As a moderate conservative, I would like to see the end of private land ownership in a stateless, moneyless society.
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As a moderate conservative, I believe in ownership and democracy. Therefore the people who work at a company should own it and have an equal vote in how it is run.
We may not agree on everything, but I support you. Let us seize the means of production together first. Afterward, we can sort out the details of our views on moderate conservatism.
As a moderate conservative, I believe in conserving natural, finite resources like oil and gas. I believe in making large investments into clean and renewable energy for all, so we can conserve the natural beauty of our land, just like God intended.
This one went past satire and is actually a good talking point
So I know a guy who has this as a core belief. He voted Republican until 2016 and bitched every day and pretty frequently wrote our Congress critters about how part of conservatism is being a good steward of the environment. He refused to vote for Trump. I'm not sure who he did vote for (my guess is no one) but he said he wouldn't support that fucking moron who wants to allow toxic waste in our rivers.
He loves clean energy and is big on environmentalism (God gave us the earth to take care of and the science to do so). He's also in a borderline cult church. I'm surprised there aren't more church people who think they should take care of Earth. At least then we'd agree on one thing.
tell that guy that i, a staunch liberal, appreciate him, and wish more people were like him.
As a hard line right winger I believe we should aim for a world where all forms of work can provide a dignified living
That's a great start! I'm curious how you reconcile that with other right wing views like free-market capitalism, smaller government, and deregulation? Also curious about those who either temporarily or permanently can't work.
Yes exactly right! I love oil and I think we really need to make sure that everyone gets enough food and medicine so that they can learn about why it's so great. If we get more money into schools and research we will be the best drillers on the planet. Right makes right!
I'm not just a centrist, I'm a conservative! I agree with Adam Smith, the father of Capitalism.
For instance, I agree with him that monopolies must be regulated or they will corrupt the government:
It is to sell the one as dear, and to buy the other as cheap as possible, and consequently to exclude, as much as possible, all rivals from the particular market where they keep their shop. The genius of the administration, therefore, so far as concerns the trade of the company, is the same as that of the direc- tion. It tends to make government subservient to the interest of monopoly, and consequently to stunt the natural growth of some parts, at least, of the surplus produce of the country, to what is barely sufficient for answering the demand of the company
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They will employ the whole authority of government, and pervert the administration of Justice, in order to harass and ruin those who interfere with them in any branch of commerce, which by means of agents, either concealed, or at least not pub- licly avowed, they may choose to carry on.
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I also agree with him that landlords are parasites and need to be heavily taxed:
As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.
A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground.
If you call yourself a captalist but don't even believe in what Adam Smith said, are you really even a capitalist?
If you call yourself a captalist but don’t even believe in what Adam Smith said, are you really even a capitalist?
i'm a capitalist, but only to the extent that capitalism is the most effective mechanism of meeting the needs of a market. I think it's fundamentally impossible to run an economic system in any way that is more optimized to the needs of it's consumers than you can under capitalism, and that's what i like about it.
It's also true that there are some self regulating effects on the market. But that's more complicated.
Though, just because i believe the market handles itself in most cases, doesn't mean i believe it requires no regulation. That would be preposterous. I don't want pure unregulated capitalism, but i don't want socialism/communism either, i want both. Both is good.
That didn't stop the Christians
Sure, but people are a lot more fervent in their support of capitalism than christianity.
The right does this and it seems to work for them.
"I'm not a Republican, I'm a centralist." (Proceeds to list pro-republican things, bash Democrats, then talk about how weed is okay.)
Thinking gay people have human rights cancels out thinking black people don't!
This is literally what I've done my whole life. I have never identified as a leftist, always as a centrist, it's not my fault other people don't understand where the center is.
It's less a sneaky trick and more a condition imposed on us by political circumstance. "I can't really tell you my ideological affiliation because I'm afraid you're allergic to it" isn't a good sign for your chances at persuasion.
Even then, words are wind.
I'm much less concerned with the professed views of this or that terminally online trillionaire gooner internet celebrity than I am with what said gooner is currently ordering his gooner gang to do to the US Treasury system. If he was running around in a Che Guevera T-shirt while he ripped the copper wiring out of the federal government, it wouldn't make me feel any different.
Maybe hes a different kind of socialist, the not very socialist but very national kind.
The Window keeps moving for one simple reason.
The GOPs vote in every election. They may hate the candidate but if they've gotten the Party's endorsement they'll vote.
The Left keeps waiting for the perfect candidate to come along...
"Perfect"
The left is waiting for an actual left candidate and the Democrats keep running moderate right-wingers who wouldn't have been out of place on the Republican ticket 25 years ago.
Yeah, Kamala is the worst. As a Marxist-Leninist, I'm happier with Trump, and that's why I didn't vote.
I mean Kamala is terrible but like being happier with Trump feels like an angry comment without much thought
Well Trump is helping the Soviet Union expand into Ukraine, which is nice.
But Putin isn't Marxist-Leninist.
"I don't care what everyone else says, there's no need to execute the wealthy en masse. Workers just need to seize the means of production."
I like the method of pushing the left further left through extreme demands.
Legalize abortions until age 5!
Mandatory puberty suppressors for all teens!
Reparations for anyone except white straight abled males!
Make Israel a world culture site whose government is run by the UN!
Behead all billionaires!
100% inheritance tax!
No religious education for those under 18!
Socialized medicine for all people and their pets!
Arm the homeless
Legalize meth
That's what I'm doing for a long time now, but I just learned about the Overton Window haha.
Top tier username btw
I tell people that Bernie is a centrist and his policies are the bare minimum of acceptable compromises that should accept, but what we really should do is abolish billionaires and turn every company into a worker's co-op
least socialist post on lemmy
I'm a centrist. I think we should have a maximum wealth cap set at 1000x the median household income. I am willing to do this via tax policy instead of the guillotine.
How would you go about enforcing it? What happens to the ceo whose wealth ticks about your 1000x threshold due to a good day on the stock market?
Those are policy details. A common fatal flaw among the left is obsessing over details and trying to pick apart any good idea. The wealth cap is philosophy statement. Obviously any policy needs rules to implement it. But that's for legislators, not people discussing the idea itself. You shouldn't attack a broad policy by getting lost in the minutia.
This happened in the 2020 Democratic Primary. All the candidates had these pointlessly elaborate policy documents and white papers that were immediately forgotten after the election.
Politics is not about obsessing over minutia. It's unproductive to engage in such nit picking of something that is simply a broad policy vision.
I'm sure if you wanted to, you could answer your own question. How would YOU implement this wealth cap while addressing asset swings?
Yeah there's a term for this: liberalism.
Many liberals want the similar things as leftists, they just know waving red flags and repeating the same inane slogans doesn't accomplish anything.
Leftists are so obnoxious that the working class prefers fascism over leftism. Leftists, being obnoxious, just goes on thinking the working class is stupid for not appreciating their greatness. Completely incapable of considering they're abject failures at communicating with the working class they claim to care about.
TRUE, AND BASED.
Thank you.
Liberalism is literally the solution to the problem, but leftists have so much political brainrot they would only be happy if marx came back from the dead to personally govern the country. And righties would only be happy after the complete dissolution of everything they ever know and love, because they're stupid.
Or abandon the political labeling system entirely and make it socially outdated by learning to confront someone labeling themselves by responding to them with something along the lines of: "Why would you allow someone else to tell you what it is you believe in? You don't get to decide what being a conservative/liberal means. Someone else decides that. You aren't part of it. So why would you let whoever that is tell you what you should think?"
Change the meaning of what it means to even use the labels and the weapon of using the labels to divide us no longer functions.
It has been dismantled, and they will have to come up with something else.
And just because they will eventually invent a new weapon, does not make it pointless. This is just the never ending metaphorical arms race we are all living in, but it gets easier once you see it for what it is.
Because the labels are used for a shortcut to understanding. I really don’t want to spend ten minutes laying the ground work to have a discussion only to find out i am talking to a neocon.
Seems like a waste of time.
You are not that person. You are you and this would be a decision you make, not some other person. The question is, do you feel like a simple label, controlled by someone else, able to shift from under your feet without your input, is capable of succinctly summing you up to another person? Is your life, your thoughts, your experiences, so capable of being put into such a box, to your satisfaction?
Or are you more dynamic, storied, multi-faceted, vibrant, and in charge of your own thoughts, than a single word defined by a perfect stranger, could possibly describe? And I don't mean your external self (visual appearance), I mean the person you are inside your own head.
I don't know you, but I'd prefer to think you're probably the latter...
But that's for you to decide.