As a moderate conservative, I would like to see the end of private land ownership in a stateless, moneyless society.
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As a moderate conservative, I believe in ownership and democracy. Therefore the people who work at a company should own it and have an equal vote in how it is run.
As a moderate conservative, I believe in conserving natural, finite resources like oil and gas. I believe in making large investments into clean and renewable energy for all, so we can conserve the natural beauty of our land, just like God intended.
This one went past satire and is actually a good talking point
So I know a guy who has this as a core belief. He voted Republican until 2016 and bitched every day and pretty frequently wrote our Congress critters about how part of conservatism is being a good steward of the environment. He refused to vote for Trump. I'm not sure who he did vote for (my guess is no one) but he said he wouldn't support that fucking moron who wants to allow toxic waste in our rivers.
He loves clean energy and is big on environmentalism (God gave us the earth to take care of and the science to do so). He's also in a borderline cult church. I'm surprised there aren't more church people who think they should take care of Earth. At least then we'd agree on one thing.
tell that guy that i, a staunch liberal, appreciate him, and wish more people were like him.
We may not agree on everything, but I support you. Let us seize the means of production together first. Afterward, we can sort out the details of our views on moderate conservatism.
I'm a far right fringe militia extremist who was there on J6 (but I did not go inside) and I'd do it all again to shift the tax burden to those most able to pay it.
Same demographic here, strongly believe a free country means free healthcare.
Why were you there on Jan 6th. Did you really believe the election had been stolen?
Yes, from the people's candidate, Bernie Sanders.
You weren't there supporting Trump? Did you have a Bernie sign or something? That must have been popular with the Trump supporters.
I'm either being wooshed, or you need to read the thread and look for context cues...
"I dream of society where I will be guillotined for being a conservative."
~ Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
As a hard line right winger I believe we should aim for a world where all forms of work can provide a dignified living
That's a great start! I'm curious how you reconcile that with other right wing views like free-market capitalism, smaller government, and deregulation? Also curious about those who either temporarily or permanently can't work.
Yes exactly right! I love oil and I think we really need to make sure that everyone gets enough food and medicine so that they can learn about why it's so great. If we get more money into schools and research we will be the best drillers on the planet. Right makes right!
Well obviously smaller government needs to get its ass out of people's private health decisions and bedrooms, and stop helping other countries invade their neighbors or abuse their populace. Big waste of money! Then it should pull back funds from enforcing ridiculous outdated regulations like zoning and trespassing that restrict the American freedom to live where you want. Also, churches should participate in free-market capitalism like every other business, openly showing their books and chipping in exactly the same percentage of taxes, as should businesses of all sizes, with a clear and simple tax code. Loopholes are sneaky communist bullshit! And we need to get the tax brackets back to Reagan levels!
This is literally what I've done my whole life. I have never identified as a leftist, always as a centrist, it's not my fault other people don't understand where the center is.
It's less a sneaky trick and more a condition imposed on us by political circumstance. "I can't really tell you my ideological affiliation because I'm afraid you're allergic to it" isn't a good sign for your chances at persuasion.
Even then, words are wind.
I'm much less concerned with the professed views of this or that terminally online trillionaire gooner internet celebrity than I am with what said gooner is currently ordering his gooner gang to do to the US Treasury system. If he was running around in a Che Guevera T-shirt while he ripped the copper wiring out of the federal government, it wouldn't make me feel any different.
Maybe hes a different kind of socialist, the not very socialist but very national kind.
I'm not just a centrist, I'm a conservative! I agree with Adam Smith, the father of Capitalism.
For instance, I agree with him that monopolies must be regulated or they will corrupt the government:
It is to sell the one as dear, and to buy the other as cheap as possible, and consequently to exclude, as much as possible, all rivals from the particular market where they keep their shop. The genius of the administration, therefore, so far as concerns the trade of the company, is the same as that of the direc- tion. It tends to make government subservient to the interest of monopoly, and consequently to stunt the natural growth of some parts, at least, of the surplus produce of the country, to what is barely sufficient for answering the demand of the company
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They will employ the whole authority of government, and pervert the administration of Justice, in order to harass and ruin those who interfere with them in any branch of commerce, which by means of agents, either concealed, or at least not pub- licly avowed, they may choose to carry on.
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I also agree with him that landlords are parasites and need to be heavily taxed:
As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.
A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground.
If you call yourself a captalist but don't even believe in what Adam Smith said, are you really even a capitalist?
If you call yourself a captalist but don’t even believe in what Adam Smith said, are you really even a capitalist?
i'm a capitalist, but only to the extent that capitalism is the most effective mechanism of meeting the needs of a market. I think it's fundamentally impossible to run an economic system in any way that is more optimized to the needs of it's consumers than you can under capitalism, and that's what i like about it.
It's also true that there are some self regulating effects on the market. But that's more complicated.
Though, just because i believe the market handles itself in most cases, doesn't mean i believe it requires no regulation. That would be preposterous. I don't want pure unregulated capitalism, but i don't want socialism/communism either, i want both. Both is good.
That didn't stop the Christians
Sure, but people are a lot more fervent in their support of capitalism than christianity.
The right does this and it seems to work for them.
"I'm not a Republican, I'm a centralist." (Proceeds to list pro-republican things, bash Democrats, then talk about how weed is okay.)
Thinking gay people have human rights cancels out thinking black people don't!
The Window keeps moving for one simple reason.
The GOPs vote in every election. They may hate the candidate but if they've gotten the Party's endorsement they'll vote.
The Left keeps waiting for the perfect candidate to come along...
"the Republicans vote in every election" said the foaming Democrat as the Gestapo took them away to the camps.
your country is literally going through a coup and all you can think about is this fetishistic image of saving your country through electoral reform. I'd be laughing if I wasn't so disturbed.
I'm always open to learning.
Why don't you explain in detail how you personally mustered a large swath of the population to follow you.
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"Perfect"
The left is waiting for an actual left candidate and the Democrats keep running moderate right-wingers who wouldn't have been out of place on the Republican ticket 25 years ago.
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"I don't care what everyone else says, there's no need to execute the wealthy en masse. Workers just need to seize the means of production."
I'm a centrist. I think we should have a maximum wealth cap set at 1000x the median household income. I am willing to do this via tax policy instead of the guillotine.
How would you go about enforcing it? What happens to the ceo whose wealth ticks about your 1000x threshold due to a good day on the stock market?
Those are policy details. A common fatal flaw among the left is obsessing over details and trying to pick apart any good idea. The wealth cap is philosophy statement. Obviously any policy needs rules to implement it. But that's for legislators, not people discussing the idea itself. You shouldn't attack a broad policy by getting lost in the minutia.
This happened in the 2020 Democratic Primary. All the candidates had these pointlessly elaborate policy documents and white papers that were immediately forgotten after the election.
Politics is not about obsessing over minutia. It's unproductive to engage in such nit picking of something that is simply a broad policy vision.
I'm sure if you wanted to, you could answer your own question. How would YOU implement this wealth cap while addressing asset swings?
I like the method of pushing the left further left through extreme demands.
Legalize abortions until age 5!
Mandatory puberty suppressors for all teens!
Reparations for anyone except white straight abled males!
Make Israel a world culture site whose government is run by the UN!
Behead all billionaires!
100% inheritance tax!
No religious education for those under 18!
Socialized medicine for all people and their pets!
Arm the homeless
Legalize meth
That's what I'm doing for a long time now, but I just learned about the Overton Window haha.
Top tier username btw
I tell people that Bernie is a centrist and his policies are the bare minimum of acceptable compromises that should accept, but what we really should do is abolish billionaires and turn every company into a worker's co-op
least socialist post on lemmy
I've been doing that for years. I've been claiming to be a conservative and supporting things like universal healthcare. I even give it capitalist flair by saying that ensuring everyone has more money means I can then take that money by selling them shit they don't need. How the hell am I supposed to sell my useless crap if everyone's spending their money on rent?!
Ditto with stuff like housing the unhoused. I don't want filthy drug addicts strewn about the streets taking up my park benches and constantly asking me for 'bus money'! Get them houses so I don't have to see them anymore! Also god I hate kids, especially when they're just hanging around on the street being annoying and intimidating. Build some youth centres so they have somewhere to go and get them away from me!
Altruism through selfishness etc etc etc.
Conservatives should be the biggest supporters of the LGBTQIA+ community due to their record low use of abortion services.
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