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Fun fact, posting a link to this article got me banned from the Germany subreddit:
Damn, really? Where's the post?
I always forget what a cesspool of racism and authoritarianism reddit has become.
I know that there is definitely organized Zionist and organized Russian and other far-right chills on reddit, but it seems they have been quite effective in getting many people to follow them blindly.
Yeah you can really feel the brigading any time you post something even remotely pro-Palestine or anti-Israel over there.
welcome to lemmy :)
So just to make something clear here, because this has been hotly debated in Germany, and people have been doing a disservice to both sides, IMO:
Reports from last year suggest that one of the actions they were alleged to have been involved in included breaking into a university building and threatening people with objects that could have been used as potential weapons.
But the deportation orders go further. They cite a broader list of alleged behaviours: chanting slogans such as “Free Gaza” and “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”, joining road blockades (a tactic frequently used by climate activists), and calling a police officer a “fascist”. Read closely, the real charge appears to be something more basic: protest itself.
So, the former is usually brought up by people, when arguing this is not a case of just protest, numbers I've seen were something like 100k in damages and threatening people with axes used in the break-in. This is usually used to elicit a response of "Oh, okay, they deserve it then."
Thing is: No matter what they did, they deserve proper legal procedure happening, put in front of a court, and to be considered innocent until proven guilty. The whole deportation rhetoric is being used to create a precedent to suspend the rule of law. It's also clearly used in bad faith, also targeting people that haven't had a home outside of Germany in many years, up to decades.
The whole issue of Palestine is very contentious in Germany, as the article points out, and a tool used to create division, not just in society as a whole, but also specifically to create division within the left. My point being: No matter, if you personally think that these people deserve some big punishment, and that the things done were not okay - if you end up supporting this specific way to get there, you are supporting suspension of law, encroaching a new standard of punishment without trial, and the growth of fascism. It really is a "first they came for" situation, don't ever think that this is implemented by people that won't ultimately also use it against you and your own interests down the line.
Note that they're accused of attending a protest where these things (the property damage stuff) happened, not actually doing these things. None of the four protesters face any criminal accusations.
I can totally understand Germany feeling obligated to help relatives of a population they genocided. But helping them while they genocide other people should be a red line.
Yeah the German attitude of "we genocided these people in the past therefore it's our obligation to help them genocide other people" is pretty odd.
Yeah why our government sends weapons despite recent developments is beyond me. The Israeli government crossed the red line over a year ago. Instead of focussing on Hamas and saving the hostages, they decided to commit war crimes.
C'mon Germany do better
Dude where the fuck am I supposed to even migrate to?
Austria? Maybe Switzerland? Maybe Ireland....
Ireland never genocided anyone.
Oh but wait, who was there before Celtic people arrived?
Good job getting right wing nutjobs elected liberals.