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[–] Magnum@infosec.pub 53 points 11 hours ago (6 children)

Two former senior ICE officials told Newsweek that accidental discharges were not uncommon and often involved experienced agents rather than new hires.

What?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 41 minutes ago

I wouldn't be surprised if 'experienced' agents are generally also incompetent. Pre-trump they would have mostly had pretty mundane duties, maybe manning a border station checking paperwork, maybe even desk jockeys. Sure "enforcement" actions were a thing, but I suspect a large number of people were never anywhere close to 'action'.

A reporter that went through the hiring process included the detail that while desk work was a possibility that a recruit had to be prepared for, it was a critical priority to get as many people on the streets with guns.

[–] Urist@leminal.space 14 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

There's no such thing as an accidental discharge. There are negligent discharges and there are mechanical disasters. If it's not one of those then you intended for the gun to fire.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Negligent Discharge vs Uncommanded Discharge.

Negligent Discharge is where somebody carelessly caused the weapon to fire essentially via poorly handling it / being a dumbass.

Uncommanded Discharge is where the weapon essentially fires itself due to a mechanical failure or design flaw inherent to the weapon itself, such as a pistol firing on its own after being dropped and hitting the ground, despite the trigger not actually being pulled.

You can also get a 'hangfire'.

Basically, old or defective ammo can result in a situation where you pull the trigger, the hammer/striker drops... and then nothing happens for 5, 10, 15 seconds... and then the weapon fires.

Hangfires are extremely dangerous because yes, you did intend for the weapon to fire, but you also expected it to fire when you pulled the trigger, not... a random and unknowable amount of time after you pulled the trigger.

Though I guess you could get a hangfire that is initiated by an uncommanded discharge, if your Luck stat is somehow negative.

[–] Machinist@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Read about this years ago. This is the only accidental discharge I've heard about. Worn leather holster pulls the trigger. In fairness, an argument can be made that using a worn/flexible holster was negligence.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 1 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

I like the documentation in that article.

The photo they show of the holster makes it very clear that this is negligence, though. there's simply no question about that. as a gun owner you are expected to be smart enough to realize that your holster must not deform in this manner, especially with that model of gun

also, personal note: fuck that guy for wearing this into a cafe

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 25 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Coming from a multigenerational family of LE and Military I can tell you first hand that NDs are never common. Not even slightly.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I know very few Leo’s or vets, like only a couple. But one that I do know NDed himself in the thigh while servicing his gun.

So you 0/N is somewhat offset by my 1/4.

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 minutes ago

Servicing a gun with a round in the chamber is negligent unless you’re in active combat.

There’s no context provided, but I can’t see any situation where you service a loaded firearm and point it at your thigh.

[–] turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 34 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

LE and ND?

Not everyone lives in the acronym country.

[–] hector@lemmy.today 8 points 6 hours ago

National Dickheads.

[–] SphereofWreckening@lemmy.world 25 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

LE - Law Enforcement, ND - Negligent Discharge

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] turboSnail@piefed.europe.pub 1 points 2 hours ago

LOL. Now this acronym actually makes a lot more sense.

[–] SynAcker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Depends who you talk to. I know a guy in construction who has had to patch bullet holes in several LEO houses. Also at the sport men's club I'm a member of, the only shooting injury we've had was from a state trooper during a training excercise. You're point is valid, though. NDs are supposed to be minimalized through training and adherence to the 4 gun rules. These guys are morons.

[–] exaybachae@startrek.website 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

It's dangerous.

Don't touch that.

Not that way.

What an I missing? Is the fourth also the first?

[–] Sequentialsilence@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago
  1. Keep your finger off the boom trigger until your ready to fire.
  2. know your target and what’s behind it.
  3. assume the gun is always loaded, even when you know it isn’t.
  4. never point it at something you aren’t willing to completely and utterly destroy.
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"ND"? I can get as far as N-somthing Discharge.

[–] darkdemize@sh.itjust.works 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, derp. TY. That seems really obvious in hindsight.

[–] RichardDegenne@lemmy.zip 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

"TY"? I can get as far as T-somthing Yaoi.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] okcomputer@piefed.world 3 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Touché Yaoi? Online? That’s disgusting. Where?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago

Tactical Yiffing

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 1 points 7 hours ago
[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago

They shoot themselves in the foot to get out of work.

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

yah... "Doubt" on that one

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

Familiarity breeds passivity