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To everyone saying people needed to wait until the mid-terms to take action: Fuck You.
We have ZERO leadership to capitalize on momentum by people marching and protesting, this is why BLM and No Kings had the highest turnout of protestors in history but led to NOTHING.
This isn't a matter of people being complacent, this is people waiting for a "perfect leader" who will never come.
At least the right is so dumb that they will latch onto anyone, warts and all, to be their "daddy will save us" figurehead. It's utterly broken and deficient on every level, but it becomes actual movement and political capital.
We can't even get liberals and progressives to agree "if it's okay to carry the American flag" and that's why we have lost ALL our ground and why things are going to get worse.
Let me repeat that so you and everyone really get it.
Nobody is coming. It's going to get worse.
Dude liberals can't even comprehend that most Christians are on their side.
A long, tireless campaign of turning all of our social discourse and social pressure into online arguments and forum exchanges has made the bulk of America's literate people tune out of political involvement entirely, how do we think there's any chance of a "revolution" like so many people are calling for?
The exit polling from 2024 should be making us all CRY.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2025/06/26/behind-trumps-2024-victory-a-more-racially-and-ethnically-diverse-voter-coalition/
We can't get enough people on-board for "general" strikes, we can't get average people who want the same thing to agree on basic facts about reality like if science is valid and if vaccines work, we can't get average, literate people to even want to be around other people anymore. Dating and sex have fallen off a cliff, people are more lonely than they've ever been, while at the same time clinging to their discord friend groups with snarling defensiveness when you suggest that they need to socialize more. Asociality has become an identity.
We can rebuild a positive movement if we focus on our communities, our neighbors and neighborhoods and our schools and workplaces, we can get people to connect again and start working towards group goals... but it takes a kind of work that most online leftists want NOTHING to do with, which is actual work towards better outcomes that they may not see themselves, because all of this takes a long time and a lot of patience and persistence and being social and understanding emotional intelligence.
That mentality pisses me off. Partially because they're definitely going to rig them; but more because thousands of people are dying every week. Thousands are being disappeared. How many folks were sent to CECOT? How many people were grabbed off the street? The ICE abductions were the tipping point and tragically we failed. (It didn't help to have all the libs yelling "DON'T FIGHT BACK!!")
You're going to sit back and hold a zen zone through 2 years of holocaust? Really? The entitlement of those folks is insane.
Who do you think is saying that?
I mean, these guys pay good money for propaganda, I'm sure they have people posting shit like that everywhere to ensure people wait
Fuck the propagandists is a valid position to take.
I don't think I've seen a single person saying that. Plenty saying that you should vote when mid-terms roll around, but none saying that you shouldn't be doing anything before or after.
For example, this post last month: https://lemmy.world/comment/21539323
I sent a new reply to that comment with a link to this article and they still replied "that's how elections work and you need to wait until November".
Lund isn't exactly sane.
Wow. Yeah that person's a dumbass.
Yep. I've been asking for months and months where the protests are, and what about general strikes and so on. All I get is "it takes time to coordinate, just you wait" "it's starting slow but will get up some steam soon" "wait til the mids" "it's a big country, it's very difficult to do anything but we will sort it blah fucking blah!"
It's all bullshit.
A fucking failed reality TV star, convicted criminal, idiotic bankruptcy champion, confirmed rapist and deffo child rapist took over the whole of the uNazied States of america in less than a year and 99% of their population did fuck all about it. Fuck and all.
After decades of them watching action movies whilst stroking their guns and threatening to shoot anyone who encroached their freedoms...yet a fucking orange geriatric paedo went full dictator on them without as much as a whimper. Pathetic.
Both the middle school and the high school in my tiny rural town did a walkout today. There's a protest every day outside the local ICE facility. There have been soft strikes as grassroots support networks form.
If you think nothing is happening, it's because you're not doing anything. Get involved.
A general strike is desperately needed, but it genuinely isn't as easy as just calling for one and hoping everyone jumps onboard. Unions need to coordinate together to organize a proper one that won't fizzle out, which I will admit has been an agonizingly slow process, but it does appear to be happening.
The best thing we can do in the meantime is to unionize our workplaces if it isn't already, help a friend unionize theirs, speak up at union meetings about the importance of preparing and organizing a general strike (set up strike funds, contact other unions and mutual aid orgs to plan a date and resources, etc), and joining a local mutual aid group that will help us weather the strike.
I've been spreading this guide showing how to prepare for resistance as far and wide as I can. If you'd like to chip in and spread that as well, you have my full permission to copy and paste it wherever you think it'd get the most eyeballs (that goes for anyone else reading this too, your help would be much appreciated. Just try to make sure you post it where it won't be totally off topic and unwelcome).
You can access the markdown version of that guide by clicking the little page icon with the folded edge beneath it (on lemmy through the browser), so you don't have to manually copy the links or the formatting.
Kinda hilarious that you critique others for not organizing while you yourself also are not organizing.
Your criticism is you asked if there were protests, nobody organized them, and now you complain no one has organized one.
You can organize too you know.
If you are saying this as someone outside the country that's a bit different. Obviously if you are not there you are not responsible to organize.
Anyway there are protests that have been happening, look at minneapolis. There have been quite a few protests, they need to go further, but they have been growing and increasing in frequency for a while now
There have been protests all over the country. We are almost at the point of civil war if this ICE sh continues. I have been protesting
Why would I travel to the uNazied States of america?
Oh lordy, no. Maybe about 3 decades ago I would have liked to visit, but now I want just one thing from there.
Just one...
I'm not interested in your food, or entertainment, like I used to be.
I'm not interested in your products and services etc etc etc.
All I want from you guys is to make the orange child rapist suffer consequences for his MANY MAAAANYYY crimes.
That's all.
The crimes were blatant and are easy convictions, all you guys need to do is put down your mega gulps, struggle up from your armchairs, and PUT SOME EFFORT IN !
Pretty much every other country that's been affected by the tRUMP-Epstein files are doing investigations in to it. Princes are losing their titles and big mansions. People are resigning from their jobs etc in shame because of the furore caused by it all...
Yet in america, nothing is happening to those who committed the crimes. Fucking nothing. The fat cunt keeps on doing evil shit and hardly anyone is interested over there.
Whatever you guys are doing to get rid of that scum then DO MORE!!
Please re-read this from my comment
I don't expect you to come here and fix things if you aren't from here. Your rant was unnecessary.
People are doing something and efforts have been increasing through out this term. Unfortunately Republicans control all branches of government and are morally bankrupt ghouls that will never go after their own. Mid-terms elections give a good chance to change that, if they happen. If they don't happen I expected things to kick off, because then all hope of a peaceful resolution will be gone.
But I'm not going to let you ignore the efforts that already exist either. People are protesting, more and more each week. People were out protesting at -12C. They are plenty determined. I'm not going to criticize them for not forfeiting their lives to start and armed rebellion. The people are mobilizing, our elected officials refuse to listen. Things will continue to grow as they have been, sorry this isn't enough for you.
You know what, FUCK...you are correct. I am ranting.
And I apologise.
I just can't understand how it got so bad, so quickly. Relatively speaking. Yeah, it was bad during that idiot Bush but then some sense prevailed with Obama and then it seems like mass stupidity took over. Then biden came along and I hoped common sense would rear its head.
And it did, but only slightly. But then he took his time with the prosecutions. Then the fat paedo started farting his mouth off about the presidency again and I though "there's no way they could be that stupid again". Yet here we are.
And I'm getting angry about it again.
The thing is Dolly Parton herself could knock at my door and say she tried to stop it and I'd reply "you should've tried harder". And I love Dolly. I think she's an angel.
Again, I apologise for the ranting. My point remains the same, however I deffo should've tried to get it across better.
It's not too different from other fascist takeovers. Hitler and Mussolini went from being jokes to seizing dictatorial control in a relatively short time. Their rise was spurred by the failures of liberal style governments to adequately tamp down the excesses of the capital owners, along with other economic factors.
To a historian, the rise of Fascism in the US probably wouldn't be too surprising. We had a popular Nazi movement here in the 30's that was clamoring for power. That collapsed due to their leader embezzling funds, and it's successors being imprisoned under the espionage act during WWII.
But as for why it's happening again, it starts with FDR finally implementing major economic reforms that provided desperately worker and union protections, high taxes on the wealthy, and social security. Those actions were directly responsible for ending the gilded age as well as finally giving the working class a sense of hope and that life could actually get better (at least... If you weren't a minority, life still sucked for them, hence the civil rights movement a few decades later).
However, starting in the 70's, conservative and liberal leaders have consistently and slowly whittled away all of those working class gains from the 30's to the 60's.
Throughout the 90's to the present, we also had hard-right propaganda being allowed to be aired on TV (Fox News is one example), which fermented conspiracy theories for decades to an unfortunately uneducated populace.
All of that set up the perfect environment for a fascist to come in and perform their classic tactics of: blame minorities, promise a bright future, and convince their base that the left is literally evil and that they must be eliminated.
That's glossing over a whole lot, but that's kinda the ultra short version as to how we got here, and why it seemed to rise so quickly.
You know something that I found provided some context is the American Civil Rights movement began in 1954 and didn't see the passage of the Civil Rights Act until 1964.
This was a time when people were being murdered over the color of their skin and it took nearly a decade to achieve their goals. Also it wasn't as nonviolent as reported either.
But you are right things got really bad really fast. I protested at first, but have left my country and live in Europe now. I am only a student and will eventually have to go back, but I figured in 2 years when my masters degree is finished things will have either gotten so bad I can claim assylum or they have gotten better and I can go home.
I didn't want to risk being drafted into some bullshit war. When I do go back and see family I try to keep involved, but I'm afraid things have gotten too bad to fix. After following the recent ICE shootings, next time I'm back I plan on getting a weapons permit in my state and using it to open carry at protests from now on.