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[–] cynar@lemmy.world 75 points 20 hours ago (6 children)

In France, the worst they will likely be met with is water cannons, tear gas, and potentially rubber bullets/beanbag rounds.

In America, it's more likely to be automatic assault rifles.

[–] Bad@jlai.lu 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago) (1 children)

I have breathing issues due to being tear gassed too often, my left shoulder suffers from very painful tendinitis that will probably never go away due to being tossed on the ground / beat up, got an acquaintance who lost an eye to a rubber bullet, that's the life of a regular french demonstrator.

You are severely underestimating the violence of french anti-riot policing methods. Those weapons might sound chill due to being labeled "non-lethal", but they're actually quite lethal (people die regularly) and violate the Geneva protocol (tear gas usage is theoretically banned on civilians).

If you believe it's that relaxed, come demonstrate in France, see what it's like to be charged at by 100 dudes in full body armor swinging at you trying to do maximum damage while you're caught in a cloud of toxic gas with nowhere to run. You thought the press could cover your ass by filming the police violence, or that the government would do something about police brutality? Guess what, they target journalists too, and our govt encourages police brutality.

If you're looking for excuses, don't drag us into it. Protesting in France isn't an easy affair, we genuinely put our lives on the line every time we go out there. It's the police that decides how violent protests are, the reason you hear so much about french "riots" is because our police keeps escalating the violence. We have a peaceful nature.

Americans need to shut the fuck up about the rest of the world I swear. You're not that special. 

Rubber bullets banned in many countries, people lose eyes to them in France

Tear gas long term health effects

Casualties from the yellow vest protests

Police violence on journalists

This documentary's trailer should tell you enough about our riot police situation

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

I'm UK based btw. I had my tangles with the police at protests in my younger days. It's intimidating, even when nominally peaceful. I have a lot of respect for those of you willing to face off against the nastier crowd control methods.

It's worth noting that there is still a huge difference between what you dealt/deal with and shoot-to-kill military weapons fire.

If I thought it would help, I would (unhappily) deal with tear gas etc. I'm too old, with too much to lose to risk rubber bullets etc, but respect those that would. VERY few people would face gunfire without the ability to fire back. The American Left is not at the point where they are willing to escalate to that point.

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

... AND THE HOOOME OF THE BRAAAAAVE

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago
[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 41 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 58 minutes ago

On 27 June 2023, Nahel Merzouk (25 February 2006 – 27 June 2023),[1] a 17-year-old French youth of Moroccan and Algerian descent,[2] was shot at point-blank range and killed by police officer Florian M., when he did not comply with an order to stop and instead attempted to drive away in Nanterre, a suburb of Paris, France. Initial reporting on the incident (informed by police statements) was later contradicted by a video posted online, which led to widespread protests and riots. Symbols of the state such as town halls, schools, police stations, and other buildings were attacked.[3] The Interior Ministry reported that more than 5,000 vehicles had been set on fire, along with 10,000 garbage cans; nearly 1,000 buildings had been burnt, damaged or looted; 250 police stations and gendarmeries had been attacked; and more than 700 police officers had been injured.[4][5]

The killing—condemned by President Emmanuel Macron as "inexplicable" and "inexcusable"[6]—became part of a broader public debate regarding aggressive French law enforcement,[7] racial profiling,[8] immigration,[9] and the stakes of naming the subsequent suburban violence "rioting" rather than "revolts".[10] On 28 June, the president of the National Assembly, Yaël Braun-Pivet, asked deputies "to respect a minute of silence in Nahel's memory".[11][12]

Police kill someone in France:
Massive violent protests, burning police stations and police cars
Incident condemned by government

Police kill someone in the USA:
Nonviolent protests
Government defends the killer

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 33 points 16 hours ago

Sure and that gets a wikipedia page for you to cite. You're not wrong, just heavily downplaying the problem with this whataboutism. It's not about France where this thing is an exception, but about the US where this is becoming the norm.

[–] rockstarmode@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

automatic assault rifles

This is redundant, by definition all assault rifles have auto or burst fire modes. Anyone (including lawmakers) in the US who claims otherwise is incorrect.

[–] mattyroses@lemmy.today 4 points 5 hours ago

Burst fire is not available on civilian models out of the box in the US

[–] discocactus@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah that's not true. Semiautomatic assault rifles are very common in the US, more available by far than full auto.

Assault rifles have select fire, by definition.

[–] cynar@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not American. I'm only aware of them in passing. It's not the sort of thing we learn about in school, over here.

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I learned about this stuff from video games. The MA5B is full auto.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 4 points 8 hours ago

You may be right, I don't know shit about guns, but relying on information from a video game is not the smartest. The person deciding on what mechanics the different guns have, may not know anything about the topic.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

What about burst fire?

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

You say that like you can’t get your own automatic assault rifles in America.

[–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

You can't. I feel like you don't know what an automatic rifle or an assault rifle is.

[–] Einskjaldi@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Modifying them is trivially easy, so any can be full auto, but burst fire is superior anyway. Full auto is only for psychological coolness.

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 10 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You can, they just cost like $10k-$50k (if you want one legally).

Otherwise, crime gonna crime.

[–] butwhyishischinabook@piefed.social 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Lol yeah that's true. I'm just assuming they didn't mean that only eccentric rich people can get automatic assault rifles, whatever that contradiction in terms means.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 4 points 16 hours ago

I definitely am not talking only about eccentric rich people, you are correct.

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago

Not as easily as modifying a semi automatic.

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

French cops: using less lethals according to the manual.

'Merica cops: point blank, headshots (unless you're preggers), gas the kids

[–] stormdelay@sh.itjust.works 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

If you think french cops follow the manual I have a bridge to sell you

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

checks the Internet search engine

American police are significantly more lethal, with fatal shooting rates in 2019 being 22 times higher (3.1 per million) than in France (0.14 per million).

... ... I dunno, that feels like a pretty significant difference

[–] stormdelay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

That still doesn't mean french cops are not also dangerous during protests. I'm not trying to say they're more dangerous than your brown shirts, I'm saying that protesting also isn't risk free in France, and claiming that french cops follow the rules is simply incorrect.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 8 hours ago

Protests are famously attractive for the kind of person who enjoys hurting others, on both sides. Difference is that only one side can hurt others while being protected by the system.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

They're all full of stories and excuses because none of them can figure out how to do anything beyond going out for a walk every couple months.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

It occurs to me, pregnant women who want abortions in states where it is illegal should just go to a protest…

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 19 hours ago

I get what you're saying, but if you ask me, being murdered by a fascist is a rather drastic method of abortion..