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[–] brooke592@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 day ago (6 children)

You guys ever notice how it's always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?

It's also always just enough democrats to make sure republicans always get what they want.

Why people keep voting for them is beyond me. They must be stupid or something.

[–] AWistfulNihilist@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

The Blue Dogs (the group that voted for ice funding) is the same group of dems that thwarted Bill Clinton.

It's all kayfabe, it's the squared circle. Whenever actual change is on the menu, like the public option with Obama care, exactly enough dems will turn to make it not happen, reliably.

How many is the super majority? Add 2 and that's how many dems will show up to stop progress.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You guys ever notice how it’s always the democrats that break rank but never the republicans?

Massie's been in full revolt for months now. And we've had perennial haters in the GOP going back to John McCain and Ron Paul. And the Tea Party Caucus was a big reason why the GOP couldn't pick a new House Speaker for nearly a month. These opponents tend to be Libertarian flavored, and tend to undermine Neocon efforts to spend money at the risk of raising taxes

The loathsome Blue Dog Caucus are an organized conservative opposition within the liberal party. It consistently sabotages party priorities while funneling enormous sums of corporate money into leadership races.

Both exist to benefit corporate interests.

[–] thesmoosh@discuss.online 2 points 11 hours ago

but they never face any consequences from party leadership.

it's moreso the case that when leadership decides they don't actually want to stop something (for reasons) the blue dogs are called upon to performatively break ranks and help the Republicans.

[–] ztpq@slrpnk.net 3 points 22 hours ago

If they really were in opposition to the actual goals of the party, they would not retain influential positions within it.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It’s because both parties are owned by the same Israeli lobby and the Zionist tech bro oligarchs. It’s not even a conspiracy it’s easily verifiable. Epstein and Gizzline worked for Israel to collect blackmail for Israel. We pay for Israeli’s to have universal healthcare, free college and a $400 monthly payment per child until they turn 18 but those things are evil and “communist” here. We the American taxpayers pay hundreds of billions for this stuff while Americans die and go into debt for sickness. Israel is a hostile foreign power do friends blackmail their allies? https://www.trackaipac.com/congress https://wonderisrael.com/monthly-stipend-for-a-jewish-kid/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Israel

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 points 1 day ago

They must be stupid or something.

They are.

[–] PaintedSnail@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Who should we vote for otherwise? Every other option leads to Republicans staying in power, and they are the ones actually doing it.

Don't vote? That's fewer votes the Republicans need to win, so they stay in power.

Vote third party? That splits the opposition vote, and Republicans stay in power.

And no, neither of those choices "teach the Democrats a lesson." It just drives them to go to the people who do vote, who are more right wing, so it drives everything further right.

You want a more left wing party? Show them that the left votes and our votes have value.

[–] thesmoosh@discuss.online 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

they don't control the entire D party, there are good people there.

support the good ones, primary the bad ones.

In the last 10 years I've seen a noticeable shift in the number of normies (non political junkies) who have realized which Democrat are real and which are paid stooges.

[–] PaintedSnail@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

If we want to push things back to the left, we absolutely have to show support for more left candidates in the primaries.

But if we don't show them that we're willing to vote, we're just going to get candidates that chase the votes of the people who DO vote.

[–] brooke592@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Stop voting for them in the primaries so we don't have this issue.

[–] PaintedSnail@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

The primaries are the key. Support the people who will oppose these issues.

But as we saw with Bernie, the support has to be undeniable and actionable, or they'll just put in who they want anyway. This means that there is a non-zero chance that we'll end up with the usual kind of choices. Should we then support the candidate that isn't at least actively disparaging the law, or should we not vote and increase the chance of the party that is actively destroying things winning?

[–] michaelmrose@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So we can have Obama or Biden rather than Adolf Hitler with dementia?

[–] brooke592@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago

What about what happened with Hillary?

Bernie would have won, but instead we get 12 years of trump.