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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 94 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is why I think a bunch of the ICE harassment is in Minneapolis right now. A city where no open carry is allowed.

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ironic that Democratic policies are hurting Democrats.

Fuck the dems, we need an actual pro-gun leftist party.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I always tell people when you get far enough left you end up back in the pro gun camp.

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary

  • Karl Marx

I always describe myself as an "under no pretext" gun supporter rather than a "shall not be infringed" supporter.

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Funny enough, every other country with strict gun laws don't deal with a percentage of the bullshit America does.

Also funny enough, the "shall not be infringed" comes long after a pretty pivotal phrase of "well organized militia". Unless you're a well organized militia, the 2nd doesn't apply to you.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unless you're a well organized militia, the 2nd doesn't apply to you.

That's not how the courts have interpreted that old English. Rather that the opening phrase is an example of how the right of the people could be applied, not that it is the only way it could be applied. Language evolves, but that doesn't necessarily mean how we interpret a phrase written 200+ years ago should evolve with it. If you want to change the amendment, then you need a new amendment.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Nah that's how it was conventionally interpreted (as a collective not individual right). You're giving a c20 reinterpretation and claiming it was original.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not giving anything. I'm just saying how it is currently viewed.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

You sure seemed to be implying that that is how it was always viewed ("to change the meaning you need another amendment then"), come on now.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

I'm giving my current understanding of the situation. I didn't come up with either interpretation.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Open carry of handguns is allowed with a permit, and Minnesota is a "shall issue" state, so it's easy to get a permit.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Correct for Minnesota, but Minneapolis has city ordinances that outlaws it.