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Summary: Republicans are 50/50, everyone else is strongly opposed.

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[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 55 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Jesus Christ I had some hints that Republicans would be coming to their senses, but fucking 50/50?!? These people are fucking lost, too far gone. They are beyond normal legal or democratic avenues. This is a violent, fascist authoritarian cult, and they need to be stopped.

If they don't change their minds when their country threatens real hostilities against former allies, then they will not be swayed by anything except force, combined with real, uncompromising economic destruction.

Americans will need a general strike and armed protests at this point.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (4 children)

They love authoritarianism, more than they love other people, democracy, anything. There's a certain amount of neural wiring involved, as people lean into it, their amygdala grows larger and their fear of "others" and "chaos" intensifies.

When I saw my mom posting a fundraiser for the Ice murderer's family last week, I realized a cop could beat me to death in front of her, and she'd tend to his bruised knuckles in apology. That was the very last straw, I don't know her anymore.

[–] RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca 15 points 4 days ago

Yeah David Frum famously wrote “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”

He's a former neocon Bush speechwriter and an ardent anti-Trumper. He would know.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

I've seen enough of the die hard maga folks talk that I see why authoritarianism appeals. It's annoying to think and if someone just simplifies the world for them, they find that much more appealing.

To scrutinize the actions of their leader is just too much work, so they just slip into the comfortable position of "this is my guy, I agree with whatever he says, even if I were to be even vaguely at odds with him, is just because he is better than me and accepting whatever is just the right call"

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

there was brain scan study to confirm this a while ago, the amgydala is larger on average compared to non-conservatives.

[–] deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

What happens if you change political party then?

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

Some say their amygdala grew three sizes that day.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I imagine your opinions have shifted and therefore your brain is already literally changing by the time you drop the party.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 2 days ago

i wonder if it does if they "saw the error of the ways" voted a "left" party, does it shrink or does it stay hypertrophied?

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 1 points 4 days ago

That’s the distrust I think about every day, too. That so many would sell their families out for nothing.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Alternative perspective, for what it's worth:

50/50 is actually comparatively huge. Considering everything else has been 90/10.

The first departure from your god-king is always the hardest. I expect for many, this is the first break, and will make any subsequent break mentally easier.

Also keep in mind that people who identify/lean Republican has taken a little more than a 10% haircut since January 2025. Any "republicans say" is an increasingly smaller subset of the total voting population... getting more concentratedly nuts as they boil off the more rational ones. Even with this more concentrated version of Republicans, it's STILL not popular.

Don't get me wrong, it's not GREAT... but there is a trend line. It's not moving as fast as it should, but it IS moving.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There are some positive signs, with some MAGAs turning on Trump over Epstein, his warmongering, and possbily over Greenland.

However, the pessimist in me expects that they'll get re-educated by Joe Rogan and FOX News soon enough, into understanding the absolute necessity of putting nukes and ICBM interceptors on Greenland.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 1 points 3 days ago

USA already has a nuke on Greenland.. Granted, they've lost it, partly because they had a period where they seemed to think of nukes as little more than toys...

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

i dont see that trend, they are all in it or not. its a zero sum for them. "all the rational ones are likely remaining quiet while still supporting maga on the issue or in the maga-sphere already."

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

You don't see the trend? You mean you haven't seen the aggregate survey data showing the trend? Or are you saying in your personal encounters, you haven't observed any change?

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago

It's not even former allies. Denmark is a current ally according to treaties that are signed into US law. Sure the US is effectively no longer part of NATO but all of the official reasons for invading Greenland could be accomplished by Trump admitting some agreements made by past Presidents were actually good.

This is all because one deranged old child molester wants to put his name on the map and a whole bunch of people are too gutless to admit that's what's going on.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

and they need to be stopped.

A full-on embargo would be nice, and ironic.
The caveat being a whole lotta world depends on AWS and such.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca -2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'll be generous for a second and presume that the vast majority of Magas are racist but not directly evil, so to speak, just naive, dumb, and brainwashed by decades of poor education and fox news

Either way, once this is over I'd happily vote for taking away voting rights from anyone Republican. Not for being evil, but for being too dumb to be able to vote

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I disagree. Anyone should be allowed to vote. But I’d happily support mandatory civics classes to be able to do so, where you actually have to pass to get your voter registration number.

The problem is such tests always become politicized.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 days ago

Anyone should be allowed to vote.
have to pass to get your voter registration number.

So not anyone, got it.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

Hey look, the "civics" lessons in the South are oddly favoring conservative talking points...

Historically tests for voting competency have not been to ensure educated voters, but to disenfranchise groups. You don't want to open that door.