Ask Lemmy
A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions
Rules: (interactive)
1) Be nice and; have fun
Doxxing, trolling, sealioning, racism, and toxicity are not welcomed in AskLemmy. Remember what your mother said: if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. In addition, the site-wide Lemmy.world terms of service also apply here. Please familiarize yourself with them
2) All posts must end with a '?'
This is sort of like Jeopardy. Please phrase all post titles in the form of a proper question ending with ?
3) No spam
Please do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.
4) NSFW is okay, within reason
Just remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either !asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world or !asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com.
NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].
5) This is not a support community.
It is not a place for 'how do I?', type questions.
If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to Lemmy.world Support or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.
6) No US Politics.
Please don't post about current US Politics. If you need to do this, try !politicaldiscussion@lemmy.world or !askusa@discuss.online
Reminder: The terms of service apply here too.
Partnered Communities:
Logo design credit goes to: tubbadu
view the rest of the comments
9/11 truther. Missile pods on military jets and fed reserve gold heist. WTC7 got me in. But I was also a welder and I'd been making thermite for fun since I was a teenager so I knew that jet fuel didn't have to melt steel beams to significantly reduce its tensile strength, just several hundred degrees was enough to weaken steel. And I know the difference between thermite products and liquid aluminium pouring from the buildings, thermite looks like straight up lava, and in any case, you need way, way more thermite to melt through a steel girder than you might expect from watching movies. It takes at least half a kilo just to melt through the hood of a car, let alone and engine block like the anarchist cookbook would have you believe, I know because I did it.
Ok, I've always wondered what's up with WTC7, but I could never be bothered to wade through the noise. What was up with that?
It's still a very strange looking collapse. But the sort of damage caused to it by two giant skyscrapers collapsing next to and into it must have subjected it to stresses is was never designed to take.
And a raging fire inside the building near it's base that was left to burn mostly unchecked because most of the firefighters were already killed or their equipment destroyed by towers 1 and 2.
Controlled demolitions target the very weakest parts of a structure, causing a cascading failure throughout the structure. In a huge uncontrolled fire and impact, the same weakest points are by definition the most likely to fail first, so the collapse looks similar. Also WTC7 was built above an existing building, so it's vertical columns didn't go straight down into bedrock, they went down to near street level, and then transferred the load horizontally around the existing building. From the outside it looked like a regular rectangle, but on the inside, it effectively had a giant unsupported hole on the inside. Under normal conditions, structurally sufficient, but if you shake the ever loving fuck out of it twice and then light it on fire with no firefighters nearby...
Still waiting for any other buildings to collapse like these three buildings did. It will never happen though. Three nearly perfect collapses in the same day in a row was a pretty insane random occurrence.
Just about anything is possible and able to be proved through science. This doesn't necessarily mean that is what happened though.
I remember watching one of the Flash animated "truth" "documentaries" on flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon.
It talked about missiles being used and similar stuff, I was 13-14 at the time and I showed my parents, they rightfully explained that this was just a random video that anyone could have made.
They brought up the importance of using trusted sources, but also emphasized that they didn't have the facts either.
They told me to calm down and wait for verifiable facts to surface.
Yeah the Pentagon impact site never made any sense and the government was never open about the evidence. I was never convinced the official explanation made sense based upon the damage to the building.
The US government could easily clear it up by realizing the footage, but they won't.
It makes perfect sense to me, what issues do you see with it?
I don't really care to talk about this unless you have researched this thoroughly because the damage to the building was always inconsistent with the official narrative including the wreckage that was extracted from the building.
This makes me skeptical and the government has never released the footage when they definitely have lots of video evidence that can demonstrate exactly what happened.
Ok, if you are going to play this game...
This will let me know both were you stand and what level of discussion you expect.
Hard pass. I can already tell what you are up to. Acting like an asshole isn't the move you think it is.
lol, calling me an asshole when you were the one who started acting all high and mighty, talking about how a normal person wouldn't understand your special research.
I won't deny that my last reply was a bit assholish, but that was just a reply to you rudely implying that normal people wasn't worth debating.
I said you were acting like one. At any rate, I know when someone is trying to troll. This is a very touchy topic for a lot of people. I apologize if I offended you.
Having spent a great deal of time studying this decades ago I really don't want to talk about it unless you are someone who has an insight. I have had thousands of conversations online and in person about this topic and frankly I am over it.
Ultimately, regardless of how much you do or don't believe the government it sidesteps the real issue. And that issue is 9/11 was used to take away our rights and start multiple needless wars of aggression.
Alright, it is absolutely fair to just be over a topic that has been talked to death and doesn't mean anything anymore.
I fully agree that the response to 9/11 was insane in terms of the US loosing freedoms, and I wonder how the country would be if that didn't happen...
spongebob meme dot gif tventy foor yeers later…
I once watched a 9/11 truther type program that hand waved away this issue by simply stating the government used "nanothermite". What is "nanothermite"? It's thermite but acts in whatever way it needs to when somebody pokes holes in the idea of thermite.
Counter argument: if you did this at home on a hobby budget, imagine what is possible with a high tech lab and a military budget.
Not a terribly convincing start to a hypothesis.
The start was what they achieved with no resources. Keep up.
You are grossly overestimating military budget spending. Now, a private contractor with a government contract, on the other hand, maybe. As long as they didn't waste it and delivered on schedule. Wait, that doesn't happen either.
IF a private contractor can hijack 4 planes in the most heavily guarded airspace in the world without scrambling a single defence fighter, then they can source Nanothermite on schedule.
Not saying that happened, but suitable explosives are not the weakest link in the 9/11 conspiracy theories.