ARC Raiders
ARC Raiders PvPvE extraction shooting. A game centered around a community of survivors fighting against machines and other humans for resources and survival of humanity.
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I don't see the problem here, they use Ia for the voicelines, they signed contracts with voice actors. If it s well made why not. That technology is not going back to the pandora box, I understand that smaller studios use it to stay competitive and frankly I didn't notice that it was made by IA and you didn't to, so it's quite well made.
Exactly, they paid the actors and got their permission. And they did it so when pinging any item or location the character says the name without having to record thousand of takes and store all the audio files. It's a good use of it IMO.
With a company this big, couldn't they have put the means into it to hire humans instead of using genAI? I understand why they did it. I don't condone it.
Why not? If the actors were paid fairly for the subsequent uses and they agreed, that's completely fair. Who knows, maybe they got paid similarly to if they recorded all individual takes. For all we know they could even have a contract where they get a royalty for each new generated line that is used in future updates.
The AI criticism, which I stand for, is when it's used to eliminate jobs or to circumvent copyright, which I don't think it's the case here.
By the way, the game also uses AI (machine learning) for the animations and logic of the robots. And I think that's a great use of the technology, it feels so real because of it. AI is here to stay, for better or worse, it's a tool. We should support good uses of it and criticize bad uses (which there are many), but calling everything that uses AI bad (not saying you do, but some people do) is not productive. There are great uses of it and can improve our society. And along those, too many unnecessary and harmful ones. Saying everything with AI is instantly bad for the reasons of being AI isn't the way to go imo
That “if” is carrying a lot of weight.
I talked about the usage of Machine Learning for the ARCs behavior in the original post. I'm cool with that. But I don't call this genAI. The machine learning technology is fine, the pillaging of resources to create what they call "genAI" is not fine to me.
Now I do agree that, at least for me, if the voice actors are paid for each line generated: there is no problem. I'm willing to hear that in this case it is only for the quicker pipeline. But maybe I am the cynical one: I'm convinced that it is not the case, the actors were paid for the recording sessions, not the subsequent generated lines. I would be delighted to hear otherwise from a good source.
I agree that the fondamental problem is how AI is destroying business and ultimately people.
Fair enough. I think it's inevitable that some jobs are going to suffer from AI replacing partially their work, like it happens and has happened with machines and other new techs in the past. But it's important to smooth the process, and royalties for generated content I think would be a fair deal. Maybe embark will get some pressure and disclose what they agreed to.
What's the boundary for us as a collective then? What amount of AI slop are we going to accept in the future if we allow corporations to AI-creep into everything?
I agree that this technology isn't going back in Pandora's box. But I can at least vote with my wallet and with my voice to support what I think isn't the right direction.
Even though the voice actors signed the contract: I, as a customer/fan, don't want workers signing off their ability to work more. These voice actors won't ever work again with Embark now, Embark don't need another recording session from them. Ok, actors waved that opportunity away willingly. But I don't want the whole industry to become like this.
It's not because the genAI trend isn't going away that we aren't allowed to adapt to it. My adaptation is to fight for a AI-free label.
PS: On another front, Embark has made millions, if not more on this game. Don't tell me they HAD to use genAI instead of paying those voice actors for reshoot to begin with.
I think it pretty much boils down to "Do we want games made like ARC Raiders or Call of duty?".
Without knowing the details about the compensation for the VAs we can't know for sure how ethical the deal was, maybe they got compensation for two shootings? Three? Was it for ARC only, or any future game?
They made million but they didn't know that they were going to make millions. More often pvp games flops hard. Look at concord and hundreds of games like this last year.
I my opinion, if IA is well made Im ok with it. For example, in arc raiders it's well made, in call of duty it is shit.
imo some professions are gonna get impacted hard how we help those workers should be prioritise, resistance to change will not help much in my opinion
But your opinion and point of view is valid, and an ia free label should be the minimum that we should achieve. The second is protection for workers.
Not sure about "not aiming for millions".
The quality of it is not perfect to me. And you should really watch the video. There are blatant problems in the clips the author shows.
Finally, if you cannot afford something in the first place because of budget issues, I would prefer not including it than including it by using a controversial technology.
PS: And maybe after the facts hire voice actors to enhance your game with all the voice lines you can now pay for. I hate this "break first, say sorry after" mindset tbh