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In b4 someone calls me a tankie

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[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 48 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Real communists understand the very mixed history of "communist" countries of the past and present. There are virtually zero actually communist countries in the world. That is factually true. What you want to believe is tankie logic... You are a tankie if you disagree with the statement: There is no such thing as communism with a ruling class.

[–] aski3252@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There are virtually zero actually communist countries in the world. That is factually true.

I'm not a marxist, but this point doesn't make sense to me. "Communist countries" aren't called that because they have somehow managed to achieve a communist society (which would be impossible to exist in a capitalist world), but because they are ruled by a governent that is ruled by a group/party which is (or at the very least claims to be) ideologically communist..

[–] MotoAsh@piefed.social 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No, they are not ideologically communist. A ruling party is by definition not communist. They are diometrically opposed.

Even having an identifiable "owning class", let alone anything close to a "ruling class" is also definitionally not communist.

[–] aski3252@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

No, they are not ideologically communist. A ruling party is by definition not communist. They are diometrically opposed.

Being ideologically communist simply means that you believe the ideal society is a communist society. Theoretically, you could be the king of britain and still be a communist.

I'm sure there are many people who are members of communist parties who are not actual communists, but there are some true believers who think they are working towards a communist society in the far future by building up state power in order to "compete" with capitalist/imperialist forces.

Again, I doubt their methods will work. I don't think you can work towards a stateless society by strenghtening the state. But I'm not gonna deny their ideals because I don't like their approach.