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[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah. I see you completely ignored one of the 2 examples. You're also assuming I'm in the US (which I'm not, I'm a Spaniard). You only mentioned the photo thing, but completely ignored the entrepreneurship program.

I only mentioned the photo thing because for years I've been hearing that we live in a sexist society because some films don't pass the bechdel test (idk if it's spelled like that, I hope you know what I mean). Yet when men are completely erased from media then it's because they are neck bearded fat guys. Again, this is not the US, this is Spain, the boys are fit good looking young men. Of course, my girlfriend is way prettier, but the boys are not ugly.

I didn't give examples for the trans thing because I thought it to be self-evident and writing these posts take quite a bit of time. But here you go:

(Below when I say trans I mean "some trans and allies", of course not all of them think 100% the same)

  1. Trans demand the rules of sports be changed so they can participate in their preferred league.
  2. Trans demand they change laws so they are based around their belief of how gender works.
  3. If there are gender-specific subsidies (which again, I don't think they should be), trans demand it is given to them.
  4. Trans demand official documents reflect their view of gender.
  5. Some trans even demand their cosmetic surgeries be paid by the government.

Also, the order of the issues neither in this comment nor in the previous one is in any way related to importance, IDK why you assumed that in the first place. And again, IDK why you assume US, most of the 7th paragraph only applies to the US. If trans were just saying "we exist, let us exist, don't hate us just for existing" like the rest of LGB, I don't think it would be an issue. Instead they say "we exist, and even if we are the 0.001% (made up number), we demand 50% of society's focus, and if you don't treat us exactly the way we want, then you're a nazi".

EDIT: sure, just ignore the concerns and read only the "weak" ones. And young men turning right will be as surprising to you as people not liking AI is surprising to Microsoft execs.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I didn't presume you were in the US, all of the examples I used of recent trans oppression apply to more than just the US but it's true I was thinking of them while writing it. I'm not in the US either.

Mate, your five examples of trans demands are literally all wrong.

Gender is not sex. Gender is not binary, nor is sex. These are not scientifically controversial ideas. They are long studied norms.

  1. Some (very few) trans women want to play in women's sports. There have been trans athletes for many decades. It only became an issue when conservatives started complaining that they were in sport. Then the rules have been changed to ban them. Literally the opposite of your claim.
  2. As above you're wrong about gender.
  3. Never heard of this would love an example. Seems like an incredibly niche issue.
  4. Trans women are women. They ask to be named as such on their forms. Who does this affect?
  5. So in the past, in countries with good social support networks for healthcare governments have offered to pay for gender affirming care. Its recommended by psychologists, psychiatriaata and was the standard of care recommendes by leading health bodies. Im aware of governments now beginning to stop offering these surgeries and gender care based on pressure, again, from anti-trans folk.

What is the impact to you or anyone else of 2,3,4,5? Remember we're discussing issues that are not falling into the category of "if this isn't hurting anyone then hey none of my business" and "everyone deserves equal care". Very, very few women are impacted by 1, most female (at birth) athletes are trans-inclusive - can easily Google hundreds of examples.

You have it flipped. Trans people weren't asking for shit, dude. They just got turned into the scapegoat of the right wing. I pay my taxes.. And if some guy gets testosterone therapy because he's 50 and his testosterone has started to decline and he needs gender affirming care, that's fine - that's good. Same for an older woman needing oestrogen therapy - great, help her out. Why would I suddenly give a crap if some struggling person wants trans treatment and it's recommended by the medical establishment?? Likewise if some lady who used to be a boy 20 years ago is really embarrassed and harassed every time she passes through an airport by customs and security questioning why her passport says 'male' - fair enough, that must suck.

And then there's people like you, who unquestioningly accept these 'demands' as unreasonable - because someone told you they are.

Reconsider.

P. S. Love that it's ok for you to gloss over direct questions, but for me to accept points and not respond to every single one is to "completely ignore" them. I do not have to acknowledge every single point in long comments. We'd be here forever.

if trans were just saying "we exist, let us exist, don't hate us just for existing" like the rest of LGB, I don't think it would be an issue. Instead they say "we exist, and even if we are the 0.001% (made up number), we demand 50% of society's focus, and if you don't treat us exactly the way we want, then you're a nazi".

I realize you're being flippant and over-exaggerating, but statements like this make you look exactly like the right-winger you claim not to be. Trans people do just want to exist without being subjugated and stigmatized (which is definitely currently happening). None are making any such overbearing demands as you claim.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 1 points 52 minutes ago (1 children)

First of all. We probably don't agree on what gender is. You're treating it as a matter of fact and that you're right and I'm wrong. And then you're using that definition to base most of the rest of the arguments.

So if you want to convince me with those arguments, you have to first give a definition of man/woman that satisfies me.

You claim that those demands don't affect me, but they do. Every financial help that the government offers affects everyone, since everyone is paying for it. In general changing any rule/law affects everyone in one way or another.

The gay movement was different, they mostly demanded societal change. The only rule/law I can think of that was changed for them is about marriage. Which we mostly all accepted since we as a society were more accepting because of the previous societal change.

With trans, however, they are demanding changes to rules/laws without previous societal change. They haven't yet come up with a definition of gender that most people agree to, you can't change rules/laws for things that most people don't even agree if it exists or not.

[–] pulsewidth@lemmy.world 1 points 6 minutes ago

So if you want to convince me with those arguments, you have to first give a definition of man/woman that satisfies me.

Its not my job to educate you, and nobody ever changed someone's opinion forcibly. If you want to learn about scientific facts of gender then read about it - nothing I've written above is scientifically controversial.

Good luck on your journey, here's a couple starting points.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-why-human-sex-is-not-binary/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender