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Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Infosys co-founder Narayana Murthy has once again called for longer working weeks has returned, this time with an emphasis on schedules like the 996-pattern used in parts of China.

Murthy's comments revive a debate which began in 2024, when he argued that Indian employees should work 70 hours a week.

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Crunching does not work!

Instead, it reduces productivity to a fraction (often 10% of normal), countering any time added.

You want to improve your productivity, you make your workers happy. Make sure they can eat, have good healthcare, have adequate family life, etc.

We now have studies that counter the crunching myths and time theft myths.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They’re not invincible. We’re not our ancestors. Look at this little dweeb. Is anyone really intimidated by him?

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

I’m not in India. These dweebs almost always have personal security nonetheless.

[–] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is maxxing the productivity top priority?

They might value control over their workforce above productivity.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In actuality, yes, their job is to maximize productivity for the dollar spent, hence maximizing profits, and the best way to do that for most job pools is by improving the QoL of the workforce.

They likely do value control over productivity, but that's not the job of upper management. A lot of jobs (the bullshit jobs ) are to fulfill a personal need for an entourage, the illusion of business activity. That is a -- human -- trait.

Our c-suite execs might believe it controlling the workforce is their job, though, if they're inadequately educated about the current state of the art. Hopefully, their AI replacements will be more current and won't be interfered with by the BoD or shareholders.

[–] willington@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Imagine if every muscle cell in my biceps wanted to self-actualize. I want to grab a cup of coffee, but every muscle cell in my arms has their own ideas. Something that normally takes a second, now takes 10 years of negotiations. It would not do me a lick of good if I had the strongest muscle cells in existence if I could not control them.

Of course people should not be regarded as mere muscle cells, but the point here is to show how obviously valuable and vital control can be when you want to serve some ambition.

Should workers be controlled like they are soldiers?

Whose interests does the business prioritize? And how heavily?

In a worker cooperative workers are the owners. Workers hire and fire their managers at every level of management. All power flows are bottom up. The workers are the entourage. In this case workers are better positioned to self-actualize, because there is no capricious, lazy, ignorant, spoiled silky pants tyrant at the top.

But what about a more typical business? Well, there is either one owner or a tiny cabal of owners, and everyone else is just a resource, a means to an end. And you have to exert control over the means of labor to benefit the entourage at the top. If the entourage can figure out how to produce things without workers, they will get rid of them immedeately, why? Because the workers are just a means, they are incidental, they exist because slavery was deemed too toxic, and because no one figured out a way to get rid of the workers yet. That's the only reason workers exist in capitalism.

Managers want to give orders and see those orders followed immediately. They don't want debates, challenges, counter proposals, etc. If workers want to self-actualize, that's a huge problem for a top down power flow. That's why it is essential to beat the desire to self-actualize out of workers early. That way mindless servility is assured, which is good for control.

Also, if your workers work 80 hour weeks, they won't start competing ventures in their spare time. Again, control.

I kinda feel sorry for all the workers out there, because self-actualization is a heavenly mandate for every sentient being, and yet they are plugged into and slotted into a structure where worker (out group) self-actualization is a huge obstacle for the (in group) entourage.

Getting everyone happy can be a slow and messy process. What if you make weapons and your workers decide it is unethical to make weapons? You are a manager of youtube and you order workers to censor channels for entourage's benefit, but they have their own ideas, and they pretend to be censoring while actually not censoring? There is no end to such possibilities. Hence why the soul of many people MUST be crushed if the top down power flow is to be served in full measure.

Every so often there is an oddball manager like Ricardo Semler. But Ricardo Semler is the exception.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

They actually think it's more productive. They're so good at gaslighting, they even do it to themselves.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If the workforce makes a pittance and is too exhausted to rebel, the bosses win.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The bosses win if winning is continuing to manage the company poorly.

The shareholders lose since cruel treatment reduces productivity and weakens profit margins. It depends on how seriously the business controllers want to actually do a capitalism and create a product and turn a profit.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

If you pay low enough wages and workers are too exhausted to do anything about it, lower productivity is profitable. It's about the bottom line.