Western perception of “Social credit” largely propaganda btw and if you believe it isnt then you got manipulated.
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“There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
Social credit in China is more about gauging trustworthiness of business entities. Something that is a great benefit to their citizens.
That may be the case but you people have to stop trying to defend China all the time. You can’t even search the word “democracy” without being added to a list.
Ah yeah, because the five eyes (of which the UK is a member) doesn't flag people and add them to watchlists for comments potentially like this one
I’m pretty sure Trump will put you on a list for searching that too
Did anyone say USA is not a shithole?
It’s usually directly implied that America doesn’t have the same level of censorship. So when it comes to searching the term “democracy” the poster was very clearly implying you do not get put on lists for simple searches in America. Perhaps they didn’t mean to do so but this is very typical
The two countries of the world, China and USA
There’s more to the world than USA and China. Europe for example.
Ah yes Europe where you totally won’t get put on a list or driven out from a country like France for making a secure android rom
Two words for Europe: Chat Control.
more importantly the entire global south that the three major empires of the usa, china, and russia exploit
Agreed
I am currently reading a book (Leadership and the Rise of Great Powers) by a CCP member and he talks about:
So you can talk about these things, but what isn't allowed is being inflammatory.
Uh, that's not exactly exonerating material. Any government that would restrict Or crack down on those who would tell their government to go fuck itself. Can go fuck itself.
By all means, if we are discussing, removing rights from an individual or a group, be dispassionate and fact-based all day every day. But if we are telling the victims of abuse that their complaints are invalid or illegal because they feel emotion from the damage done to them. Fuck that shit.
Being inflammatory is not the same as someone complaining about an unjust government nor is it the same as feeling bad about something. It is a rhetorical strategy that is not suited for bridging misunderstandings and that is why such content gets removed from their platforms.
Saying the CCP violates human rights, is unequivocally true and factual. It's also inflammatory. There's nothing wrong with inflammatory speech. And biased policing of it destroys bridges and builds rightful resentment.
My government is also currently involved with similar violations. And I'm not going to let them police my language either. Forcing us to use language that favors them or makes light of their atrocities. Good governments don't do that. Inflammatory actions justify inflammatory language. Fuck what trump or the CCP thinks.
Again, you are allowed to say the CCP does not respect human rights as defined by the west, they will openly agree with that statement and repeat it back to you. But to say the people don't have rights to even say that is inflammatory because it is false.
This reads like someone who can't fathom that some people genuinely do like China and think it's doing a good job. It always comes back to Western chauvinism where we think that our values like liberal capitalism and bourgeois democracy are inherently superior to the values held by most people in the global south. Maybe they don't always want what we want.
Too much criticism of China is based on falsehoods and deliberate misrepresentation of certain aspects of Chinese society, culture, and politics. Case in point: the social credit system. Criticism is fine if it's fair and based on facts.
That's all well and good. The problem comes when either one tries to criticize the other. It's hypocrisy. Always resulting in whataboutism as justification.
Without press freedom or freedom of speech as well. It is impossible to say whether China or any country is doing well or right by its people. And it is an excellent metric to look at and judge the United States decline by as well. If you wouldn't trust a police department to investigate the abuse and brutality perpetrated by them. Or take Pete Haggseth at his word about those innocent fishermen he killed. But you accept the narrative of the CCP. That's willful hypocrisy.
Is what gets reported about a lot in Western-free press concerning China, sometimes false? Sure. Is it all false? Certainly not. It's just a shame there is no independent free press in China to actually get the facts out. But plenty of the CCPs verifiable abuse gets handwaved away. Concerning uhygers and other non ethnic minorities. Especially when we can point to real named victims.
Such as the case of Naomi Wu. If you have been in the maker space/3d printing over the last decade. You had likely at least heard of her if not met her. She was a wonderful window into the local culture of shenzhen. A great citizen ambassador for China. And international brand ambassador for creality. Often getting their newest products to demonstrate and display. Till that day. The day she dared put up a personal video. Discussing how she'd suffered because of the CCPs one child policy. And how she and her partner. A uhyger were managing with the restrictions placed on them as an ethnic minority. It was a great and informative video. That didn't even paint the CCP in that bad of a light. But it didn't keep representatives of the CCP from beating down her door. Threatening her livelihood and life convincingly enough that she cut off all international presence and contact. Those aren't the actions of a good or benevolent government.
damn, i gotta steal that meme. it applies waaay too often.
It sounds like it was the sort of horrid "good citizen" system in pilot cities until it was stopped
Somehow, I don't think tankies will be crediting the PRC for stopping this silly system before it got out of hand any time soon.