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[–] olicvb@lemmy.ca 168 points 2 days ago (45 children)

Being in this demographic, I don't get this. How is right wing even an option, how do you tell yourself you're okay with all the bullshit they're pushing. I get if you were already right-wing, chances are you'll stay like this, but how do you even go from 'everyone should have rights' to 'maybe we should cripple ourselves, the rich deserves more'.

Shit's wild

[–] apprehensively_human@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

You've received a tonne of responses and I'm not even sure if this has been posted by someone else already, but there's a YouTube video called "How to Radicalize a Normie" which goes over at length exactly how the alt right gets its hooks into young people and why it's so hard for them to break out.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 2 points 20 hours ago

My ex-friend went from disbanding a server over an accidental swastika someone posted in s video, to becoming tate-pilled somehow.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 day ago (14 children)

My honest opinion. The right pipeline is meeting boys where they are. The left needs to stop pontificating about shit and get on their level.

It's no different than the fact that the education system as it's been designed is easier for girls to navigate than boys. Look at post-secondary attendance by gender over time.

This is a problem that has been brewing for decades and we have done nothing to stop it and the right wing despite all their faults are actually engaging these boys where they are.

If you are a parent. Hell if you are a mother, you should be scared as shit at how your sons are checking out of society writ large.

I'm a 48 year old dude with 3 kids. My daughter will be fine. My boys on the other hand? I'm doing my best to make sure they're adjusted and successful but it's exceedingly hard.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The down votes on your comment are a head scratcher. No matter what you as a parent (or even young men commenting in this thread) say, that perspective is shouted down as manosphere brainwash propaganda.

It's almost like retrograde toxic masculinity. Vulnerable young dudes trying to explain why left messaging makes them uncomfortable are being told to man up/grow up/get over it.

Vulnerable young dudes trying to explain why left messaging makes them uncomfortable are being told to man up/grow up/get over it.

it was referred to as "positive discrimination": discrimination, but about "white (old) men", sometimes also just white men or men in general.

some crazy feminists actually thought that was a good idea, to "hit back"; instead it just creates further problems.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

anytime the left is criticized by a man, they just scream at you and insult you. they don't value any input as to why men don't listen to them anymore.

and if you ask the left what a man is to do.... they tell you to fuck off and figure it out, or they just espouse traditional values of masculinity... but also saying how they are wrong and bad and 'problematic' those trad values are. the left has no positive agenda for men because it sees me as inherently bad until proven otherwise by their hypocritical values. they just want you to be a traditional man who gives your money to leftist causes, and attributes the struggles and suffering of minorities to systemic issues, but the struggles of men are never systematic. if a man is struggle it's entire his own personal fault and what he should do is shut up and give his money to people who have it worse than he does. and what if he doesn't have money? he's broke and struggle? well he's a lazy entitled piece of shit who should get a real job so he has money to give to other people.

it's simple. the left offers young men nothing other than shame and harassment. so why would they want to deal with that? the right at least gives them a goal to strive for and actually acknowledges their problems aren't their fault.

[–] uncouple9831@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In what way is the education system easier for girls to navigate? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

the education system changed in the 90s thanks to the no child left behind and other inisitaives that forces tons of standarized testing down kids throads. recess was cut, arts were cut, lunch was cut.

the past 30 years due to these changes women have greatly outpaced men in educational attainment because they are better suited mentally to being test takers. all the curious, impulsiveness and physical of boys is actively oppressed and dismissed, and frankly, tons of boys are not drugged into submission from as early as 6.

the diffences in edu performance start from the time they enter school.

school wasn't like this 30-40 years ago. we changed education vastly start in the 90s/2000s and now those kids are entering college and teh workforce and we are seeing massive changes in their educations and incomes due to this.

a further reason is that male teachers have all but disappeared from the educational system apart from high school and coaching roles. there are virtually no male teachers in primary schools or middle schools anymore. further exacerbating and accelerating boys struggles and lack of role models in schools.

it goes on and on like this. we've basically decided to setup our school systems to be for and by women, and the obessiong with testing benefits girls over boys.

also, don't worry, the differences in achievement between upper quartile boys and girls is not that bad. if you go to elite rich schools boys/girls are mostly treated the same and perform the same.

it's most the bottom 3/4s of the economic ladder where this goes on. women from single parent househoulds do WAY better than boys from single parent households.

but hey, don't let all this complicated facts and social changes get in the way or your political beliefs! let's just explain all tehse social trends doucmented for decades away as boys are stupid incels who just need to vote for democrats and magically they will be able to get to college and get good jobs.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

But WHY. Why do boys need shit like extensive art and recess and adults to model thar girls seem to just not need

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'm trans, I was on that shit for 20 years, and I did fine without any of that, so it can't the only part of the equation.

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

On average that's the male experience. It's genetics. Not for every individual as you clearly understand, but population statistics are pretty telling that there are huge differences between development and behaviors.

[–] IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I mean what causes that? Like, what's the primary mover here that makes men lime that...and how can we change it

[–] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Well first, it's not necessarily the case it should be changed. No doubt we don't fully understand, since we don't fully understand how brains work. There may be very good reason we evolved to be the way we are, as it's very possible that a single type of person cannot make the overall society successful as a whole. It also doesn't mean our current systems work for everyone. It may mean that on average, we'd be best to have 2 different school structures to suit more types of people better. And no matter what, nothing can work for everyone. There will alway be outliers.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

the past 30 years due to these changes women have greatly outpaced men in educational attainment because they are better suited mentally to being test takers. all the curious, impulsiveness and physical of boys is actively oppressed and dismissed, and frankly, tons of boys are not drugged into submission from as early as 6.

Do you have sources for this?

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Being in this demographic, I don’t get this. How is right wing even an option

it's very simple. men have nothing to lose and a lot to gain. at least that's what they think.

[–] binarytobis@lemmy.world 116 points 2 days ago (26 children)

I spent over a decade thinking “God this sucks, but at least things will get better once the boomers die off.” The worst political blow of my life was realizing that the younger generation also lacked critical thinking skills.

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