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Steve Witkoff is teaching a master class to Russian officials on how to get what they want from Donald Trump.

On Oct. 14, Trump’s special envoy advised Vladimir Putin’s top foreign policy aide, Yuri Ushakov, on how the Russian dictator should curry favor with Trump before broaching a proposed peace plan between Russia and war-torn Ukraine, Bloomberg News reported on Tuesday.

During the five-minute call, Witkoff told Putin’s henchman that the Russian president should personally phone Trump, 79, ahead of his planned meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky—where Zelensky hoped, but ultimately failed, to secure long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles—to congratulate him on the Gaza ceasefire.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I think that there’s a lot of evidence that Trump is a Russian asset. I think people will look back and really be disappointed in this generation for doing nothing about this https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 48 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I'm less convinced honestly. This tells me that Trump is nothing but a very controllable puppet, who is surrounded by russian assets. He'll agree with any charismatic or powerful person he meets, because he can't think for himself. So the russian assets around him will prepare him in advance to make sure he's full of russian propaganda before he has to make any decision.

Once in a while they fail to get to him, the few times he does something against russian interests

I'm convinced he's nothing but a puppet at this point because of mental decline. He wasn't always though, and it doesn't excuse him. He has always been absolute garbage and waste of oxygen.

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Useful idiot", minor but important distinction. At the end of the day yeah, he's an "asset" in the sense that he's doing what Russia wants. But he’s not doing it because he's a traditional intelligence asset who's taking marching orders from Putin. He has no ideological loyalty to Russia, hell, he can't even muster that for the country he supposedly runs.

Rather, he has to be finessed into doing what you want. That can be a bribe (as we've seen many world leaders figure out for themselves) or it could just be simple praise. Throwing some narcissistic validation into the howling void where his heart should be.

Thing is, that gets both easier and more complicated as he gets more senile. Easier in the sense that (to the extent he ever had one) his conception of reality is eroding. That means he's becomeing even more malleable as even this most baseline level of resistance degrades.

It gets more complicated in the sense that the same is true for everyone else too. Trump's always had a tendency to agree with whoever spoke to him last, even before the very obvious recent decline in his mental faculties. Dementia is probably only going to make that worse.

The main upshot here is that if you know what your doing this man is more suggestable than ever. Which effectively means you now have to account for what eveyone else around is telling him and trying to accomplish. At least, to a greater degree than you were before.

Just a thought here, but maybe we'd have a slightly better time with leaders who aren't suffering from extremely obvious mental decline. Anyways, I look forward to the 2028 presidential election, when America will finally elect Ronald Reagan for a posthumous third term via the proxy of a ouija board operated solely by Henry Kissinger's corpse.

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Thing is, that's a distinction without a difference, at least in the eyes of analysts in the IC, the people charged with making a formal assessment. From that perspective, what you do is more important than why you do it because the effects aland the fallout are all the same.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The distinction with a difference is that anyone can flatter Trump's ego the exact same way. Mamdani seems to have done it. There's nothing particular about Russia that makes it work.

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

No yeah I didn't mean to imply that this is something that is particular to Russia, or any other entity for that matter. I think the functions and methods must be analyzed independently of who they concern on either side of the equation

[–] Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh yeah no. If your working backwards from the end result I totally get that approach. I'm not making a moral defense here. All I'm saying is that while we're in it it's important to understand what's going on (and perhaps more importantly what isn't) in his head so that we have an understanding of what's possible. What he might be thinking. In that world, not that of the IC or one that's capable of assessing legal culpability, it's important to draw a distinction between a principled ideologically driven actor and one that's just floating on the whims of their shattered psyche.

[–] Saryn@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Indeed, different approaches lead to different conclusions. Which isn't to say either or is exclusively valid. As I always like to say - two things can true at the same time.

Also, I get what you're saying and didn't mean to imply you were making a normative statement. I also didn't mean to imply that the aspect of understanding is not important. It's fundamental, including from a practical standpoint. In fact, in the past I used to be so much into figuring out the why that I ended up underestimating the what . Then I noticed that different whys can lead to the same or very similar whats, regardless of the content of the whys and I thought that was very interesting. And yet, trying to seperate them beyond the conceptual has tunred out to be nigh impossible.

Anyway, confusing internal monologue over.

Edit: Basically, I am sorta halfway retracting the "distinction without a difference" and going with the always safe "it's complicated"

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He is an asset in the same way a ship floating dead in the sea moves, he will drift whichever way the currents flow.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Replace sea with money and you are pretty accurate. It is all about the money and Trump is famous for taking a whole lot of Russian money

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I'm convinced he's nothing but a puppet at this point because of mental decline. He wasn't always though

That's right, he was in bed with the Russians all the way back in the '80s, when he was merely an idiot (as opposed to senile).

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

So you are convinced. Did you really just take the expeditious route to agreeing?

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which generation? I can only guess you mean the old fucks in our government, specifically Republicans.

The rest of us have tried relentlessly to stop Trump, and have known all along he's clearly a Russian asset.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some of us tried but 77 million people voted to put him back in the White House

[–] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

About of a 4th of the country voted for a rapist dumbfuck

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I totally believe there's something there. Too many red flags - like not bringing interpreters on talks w/ putin. and keeping nuclear secrets in the guest bathroom at mar a lago.

I think people will look back and really be disappointed in this generation for doing nothing about this

yeah, I mean... as much as we do today. like, you know this isn't the first time foreign collusion has delivered a republican to the white house? nixon did it. LBJ literally called it treason.

Then reagan did it 20 years later with iran. then sent them weapons for the f14s purchased by the Shah.

we know these things are true, but some people either don't care about history or care more about hurting brown people and taking women's rights.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

and keeping nuclear secrets in the guest bathroom at mar a lago.

Do you mean provably selling top secret documents to the Saudis who then shared the information with Russia?

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Don’t forget Israel. Trumps BFF’s Jeffery and Gihiseline were mossad so his ties to Israel are most definitely deep. His plans to build Gaza Lago are pretty telling.

The timeline of his dealings with Russia on this Wikipedia page is revealing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_projects_of_Donald_Trump_in_Russia

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

would not be surprised one bit.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I don't need to ask, I know the answer already: money.

about a decade ago the fossil fuel interests of this planet decided their profits were worth more than the rest of humanity surviving and they went all in. it dates back to 50 years ago when their own scientists warned them, and the world about the possibilities.

money is the driver.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

no rush, I doubt there will be surprises

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol you were right, only step left in their big plan is for us to either get violent or initiate the big sad :(

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

action works. but we don't talk about that on lemmy.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm honestly at a loss. Guy 100% raping children is running the show and everyone is just like "welp, there's a few thousand of them and nearly 400,000,000 of us, what can you do "

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

That is really constructive. Thank you.

How would you go about finding the same for my area?