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If ring-0 access is the only way you can stop cheaters, your game must be poorly programmed.
Nah, cheating is just absurdly hard to stop. Even ring 0 anti cheat doesn't stop it entirely. At some point, I feel like the answer is similar to piracy, in that you must accept that there's going to be some amount of it, and then find a way to mitigate the damage. Because there are solutions to both of them that both go too far.
Curiously, we had a better system and it was taken away for profit.
Community servers.
Where usually there was at least a mod or admin available who was able to get rid of the cheater in minutes.
Now we report and have to wait until some arbitrary ban wave and hope they hit them.
Doesn't Counter-Strike still have this? It serves a different use case than a proper ranked mode, usually, though I'll admit I'm long out of the loop on Counter-Strike.
No idea, I don't and never have played CS.
I know TF2 and L4D still have them, but I meant recent games, it's rare for a non-indie game to provide the server files to host your own.
I think the way that CS does it is really the best one. Prevent the simple cheats, record games and let people handle the edge cases based on reports and suspicious activity.
While I agree that this is usually enough, you end up with the issue that with volume the process becomes bogged down to the point of inefficiency. The best bet is to implement this system with a much more robust server side cheat detection, and ideally not send occult information or recieve bad information from the clients to minimize the damage that can be done with a cheat.
I didn't know CS did this, but yeah, at a high level, that's how I'd address it, too. It's probably not a solution that scales super well due to the manual review required, and I know that game has a reputation of people still being annoyed by cheaters, but it might be the best we can do without being very invasive, like the ring 0 stuff.
Reminds me that DRM used to run Kernel Side until software side drm was the safest/less sketchy option.