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[–] kieron115@startrek.website 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's pretty fucked up that we're at the point of relying on service members to decide that an order is unlawful. The Uniform Code of Military Justice doesn't exactly side with the military members in this instance, but it also doesn't explicitly prohibit it. Here are some crib notes from the US Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces.

United States v. Sterling, 75 M.J. 407 (a lawful order must relate to military duty, which includes all activities reasonably necessary to accomplish a military mission, or safeguard or promote the morale, discipline, and usefulness of members of a command and directly connected with the maintenance of good order in the service).

(the dictates of a person’s conscience, religion, or personal philosophy cannot justify or excuse the disobedience of an otherwise lawful order).

(an order is presumed to be lawful, and the accused bears the burden of rebutting the presumption).

(to be lawful, an order must (1) have a valid military purpose, and (2) be clear, specific, and narrowly drawn; in addition, the order must not conflict with the statutory or constitutional rights of the person receiving the order).

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

If chain of command is always followed, then the orders will be neutered before they can be carried out.

While any superior officer can circumvent subordinates, as far as I understand it, this would be highly unusual, insulting, and self-disparaging. Technically Miller himself could give the orders to specific troops to carry out, but as soon as his orders are issued, the troops commanding officer can belay those and issue their own.

There is a reason tyrants don't like chain of command.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Miller isn't in the military chain of command.