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[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you change the meaning of a word then you can apply behaviors to it that win your argument.

I’m sure you don’t mean to but hiding it inside a collection of other words looks like obfuscation to “sneak” the point in.

I think where you went wrong in your initial hypothesis was when you correlated liberalism to individualism. Individualism is a western affliction and applies to both conservative and liberal demographics.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ask yourself why liberal Democrats are so against progressives. Ask as well why in liberal cities, there are so many NIMBYs voting against affordable housing despite being "progressive". The individualistic values "sneaks" to economic policies.

It's going to be a lot but I urge you to read on the historical development of liberalism and you'll understand. It then ties to why socialism developed, and later on fascism and communism.

There is deliberate obfuscation by your government and elites to muddy the terms to prevent further mobilisation of people against them. While in other parts of the world, calling one's self a socialist, democratic socialist or social democrats are perfectly fine, it is very much a no-no in the US and Americans instead call themselves progressive.

[–] Jumbie@lemmy.zip -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There we go. I suspected as much. You’re being quite dishonest and it only took you three giant walls of text to let it out.

I don’t debate conservatives. You have nothing to add to my experience. Goodbye.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You have nothing to add to my experience.

Precisely what I'm talking about, individualistic.

Just know that liberals in other countries are considered conservatives. Like, Mamdani is considered far left in US, but his policies are normal in Europe.