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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
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[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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Yudkowsky is the first person I have ever seen describe this as a load-bearing belief of the Zizians. Offhand, I don't recall the news stories about the murders even mentioning it.
There is a mention of something that might be what Yudkowsky is on about in this Wired story:
This article doesn't make it sound so much like a "FOUNDING BELIEF"; lots of weird shit like the brain hemispheres business appears to have come first. But the much more interesting thing is at the end of the story:
(Archive link to Ziz's blog)
Hmm. Hm-hmmm.
What’s kinda fun is that Yud prefaces this with basically “i have not personally read up on the zizian texts”, and then follows it up with this stuff. Now, did he make this stuff up himself in a weird ego play, or did he hear it from someone else and decided to hold onto it, also as an ego play?
not a load bearing belief, but one of the things Ziz was specifically pissed off about
Offhand as someone who read their websites out of morbid fascination just like I read all this stuff out of morbid fascination, it was indeed pretty important to them at least as presented on the internet
The bride at every wedding and the body at every funeral
Also just a very bad cult recruitment pitch.