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[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So do you have a solution to the problem in mind, or do you just want to throw bricks at things until they magically change somehow?

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not things. People.

Although I guess politicians are just things.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I mean, they're getting shot and and killed, and our situation is only getting worse. Doesn't really seem to be doing the job.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Cause people keep aiming at nobodies instead of the ones with power. I wish we lived in the world where Trump's shooter had Kirk's shooter's aim.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Mmm, yes, there's totally not a glut of ever-willing shitbags more than willing to fill in (and use their predecessors death to their advantage) and do the same or worse.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works -2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Can we see your proposed solution? Continuing to vote for the very same people who've made things awful with the hope that "it'll be different this time"doesn't really seem like a logical solution.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So you vote for different people. There's these things called "Primaries" and "Campaigns" where you can contribute before the general election to get more amenable candidates.

The main reason we don't see these better people is because people choose not to participate.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

So you vote for different people. There's these things called "Primaries" and "Campaigns" where you can contribute before the general election to get more amenable candidates.

How'd that work out in the '24 primary?

The main reason we don't see these better people is because people choose not to participate.

Can you expand on your reasoning behind this statement? If we have a two party system where the two parties are incredibly polarizing, and we shouldn't vote outside these two parties, what mechanism ensures additional voters bringing out better candidates?

In this scenario, both parties know you're not going to vote for anyone else, so why would they care what you or anyone else thinks of them or their performance? They win by percentages not by the number of votes, so it wouldn't make a difference whether three people or 300 million people vote.

Furthermore, why don't you admit you extend this same faulty logic to party primaries? Are you really going to vote for the socialist candidate if it means they'll have to face the opposing party's candidate in the general or are you going to vote for the status-quo, establishment candidate with the belief that they'll have a better chance at winning in the general? I'm willing to bet you believe the latter and if that's the case, at what point are these "better candidates" supposed to come along?