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[–] HuskerNation@lemmynsfw.com 36 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

About fucking time. Now Schumer and Warren

[–] fulcrummed@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Warren? Schemer I get. Warren is great in my eyes, that’s like wanting RBG to step down. What did I miss?

[–] SalaciousBCrumb@lemy.lol 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

RBG not stepping down was a huge problem and let Trump pick a justice.

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 1 points 2 weeks ago

Right but not relevant here... RBG not stepping down under obama is indeed a miscalculation. Honestly I think she may have been intending to do it right after garland got his hearing... before learning that wasn't on the table.

But anyway, ignoring that... with regards to a senator I don't get the concept. While not perfect I'd still have to call warren in the top 5 senators (yeah I know, stupidly low bar because most the senators suck, but there's a lot more reason to fear her successor being worse than expecting her to be better. and unless the main fear is elections will not happen again, but sitting senators will keep their positions until they die. There's no reason to think there's a difference in her retiring now, or in 10 years from now.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What did I miss?

In 2020 Warren got grifted into hiring Mike McCollum from Hillary's 2016 team.

Warren thought he'd actually help, but he tried (and succeeded) into making her campaign a kamikaze attack on Bernie so Biden could take it.

So Warren was great, and she's done a lot of good...

But she's old enough she's getting taken advantage of like this and needs to step down.

There's a reason the oligarchs want confused 80 year olds in office. They're easily tricked even if they have good intentions.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That wasn't her "getting grifted". She's an establishment shill.

Bernie tried to convince her to run in 2016 instead of him, because he wanted a "real progressive" to run again at Hillary. She refused, so he ran instead.

Then in 2020, she ran against him in order to split the progressive vote in primary, and hired Clinton advisors in order to do it. Her main campaign strategy was to paint him as a misogynist, and to offer an "alternative" to Medicare for All that primarily benefitted the private insurance industry. And when everyone else dropped out of the race, in order to back Biden...she stayed in, just to make sure Bernie lost votes.

She is a fucking traitor. Mistakes are "once in a while" decisions that don't go the way you intended them to. But when every decision ultimately benefits the establishment old guard...it's not a mistake. It's an agenda.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Her main campaign strategy was to paint him as a misogynist,

No, that's what McCollum did...

Because as I said:

but he tried (and succeeded) into making her campaign a kamikaze attack on Bernie so Biden could take it.

They knew it wouldn't work, but they knew it would also sink the only two progressives.

She was 72 years old at the time, she wasn't the same person she was the majority of her career, which is why people want her to retire.

Like, I'm not defending her, I'm pointing out how dangerous it is letting people stay in office this long. Because even if they start out good, by the time they have the seniority they're not what they used to be.

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Except that she personally asserted this narrative. Not someone else. This wasn't something some surrogate said, without her knowledge.

Her hands were on the stick when this plane was going down. And she was aiming straight at him. This is not an age thing. She took an end-run nose dive, on behalf the establishment. Willingly.

[–] supernight52@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Warren just comes out of the woodwork every 4 years to try and take up the moderate votes, so they are less likely to vote for any actually good candidate. She needs to go. Plus, she's too old. Just like the majority of our government. We need an age cap.

[–] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If anything, Warren making some room in MA for a younger more progressive Senate Dem could be the angle.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

They'll immediately find another old fuck neoliberal to fill the spot.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

RBG not stepping down was a huge deal. She died while Trump was in office instead of letting Obama choose someone younger while he was still in office. It was arrogant and short-sighted of her.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

how about everyone over 70? The average age of these zombies is 65.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pelosi is unquestionably sharper than Schumer.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

True, but that's separate from age, and he's corrupt too.

[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Comparing which of the two is worse is just a losing competition all the way around.