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If only the conditions making these protests necessary could have been prevented....
Oh wait, you helped them happen. Enjoy the fake internet points. Can't wait to see your next agenda.
Edit: Apparently it's been forgotten that Ozma plastered several communities with articles trashing both Biden and Harris running up to the election.
Edit edit to also remind that while trashing Dem candidates, we got crickets from them about Donnie and friends. It was an obvious agenda that several people recognized at the time. They did it before and they will do it again. Wait for election year.
I didn't forget
Good. Thank you.
It's irrelevant to what OP posted, but you are correct. I remember specifically calling them out over the endless slanted posting against Dems during the election. Never a word against Trump
He literally has dozens of posts that are anti-Trump right now, and he's never once said Trump has done anything good.
How about you look back further to the time period we are actually talking about...
They did not mention anything against Trump; in fact they didn't mention Trump hardly at all. They almost exclusively shit on Biden and Harris which is just as effective as promoting Diaper Don.
Which happens to be exactly what I said.
Sure man, whatever you wanna believe about another user. Ozma is a secret Trump supporter who single handedly cost Harris the election.
Never said that. Stop twisting my words and kindly piss off.
Twisting the words of one user here is accepted but not yours, got it. I'll back out.
I don't think Ozma had much role in the decades-long neoliberal exploitation of the working class, the entrenchment of inoffensive focus group politics in the DNC, the persistent rightward shift of the Democratic political establishment or Biden and co. gloating about how much they were helping Israel's genocide.
Imagine posting facts that don't paint ineffectual proto-fascists as the next best thing since sliced bread. Truly a crime against humanity.
Lol. It was a complete stream of articles aimed at discouraging voting based on a single issue while never posting anything showing that the other side was going to be worse on the same issue, let alone disastrous for so many other reasons.
Don't give me the bullshit about posting facts. I never said a thing about lies. It was selective posting to promote an agenda of not voting.
If that agenda influenced even on person not to vote, they were part of the problem. Voting is about choosing the best fit candidate, not the perfect candidate. Working to change the horrible status quo should be done outside of an election in which not voting is helping to usher fascism into the highest offices in this country.
Seeing as you're calling Biden and Harris neo fascist this entire text is lost on you. Guessing you didn't vote or aren't a US citizen, and obviously don't understand what this country lost by electing dipshit don into the presidency. Both sides are not the same no matter how delusionally you believe they are.
Oh my god, facts! More seriously, nobody this side of Lemmy needs to learn how bad the Republicans are, and that sort of information is everywhere anyway. Nobody needs to be told that Trump is super duper bad, but many need to understand that Democrats won't save them.
Or maybe Democrats kept fucking up their campaign in newsworthy ways. If criticism of your camp makes someone the enemy, you should do some serious introspection. Yes, even if your camp is the self-proclaimed defenders of democracy; if you can't hold your leaders accountable democracy is already dead.
That's been the pitch for longer than I've been alive, and guess what? It never happens, because giving up your leverage willingly is a terrible negotiating tactic. Also, given that in America there's an election every two years, what? Are people just supposed to keep their mouths shut and toe the party line a full 50% of their lives? And specifically the 50% in which they have the most leverage? Starting to smell of free speech zones in here. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Huh? Don't put words in my mouth; I called them proto-fascist. If they were as bad as the Republicans I would've called them fascist.
I do, but I also understand that kicking the can down the road was going to result in zero improvement whatsoever. You think there wouldn't have been fascists running with significant support in 2026 and 2028? Fascism never deescalates on its own; the conditions leading to its emergence need to be addressed and neither the Democrats nor Americans as a whole have shown much willingness to do so. Liberal fuck ups are what fuels fascism; if you're not going to take on the liberals when you can you'll only get more fascism, not less. Electing Biden certainly did fuckall to stop Trump.
You got voting all wrong. Votes put money in people’s pockets. You gotta withhold the money to make them work for you, or the cycle just continues. If it wasn’t Trump this time, he would have run the next time, or some other loser to take his place. Gaza would still be rubble. People still being deported. Abortions still not legal federally. The two party system does not work and needs a reset. Whether that happened last election or a future election, it would lead to a bad time. Life is cyclical.
Okay what people saying this shit never address is where we are now. Exactly how are we better off now? Trump is 1000 times worse than any Democrat and every single day we see that proven further from a shadow of doubt.
Now that Trump has started to hurt a lot of middle class white people suddenly the pain is a problem. All the pain on minority communities before Trump was fine eh?
Gotta love bad faith liars simping for Putin/trump.
So have you always pretended to care about gazans or did it start during the 2024 election cycle? Guessing the latter, you moral little angel you.
What is your limit that in the past for someone to care that it counts?
How is my reply bad faith?
Your comment minimises all the brutalisation done against minorities, since the biggest difference with Trump is he is doing all that as before, but also targetting white people who were otherwise shielded from the bluntest parts of the US.
If that difference is 1000 times worse then how are you not valuing the comfort of white people above all?
I wonder why I called you a liar. Disengenous fake bullshit. Blocked.
So you are not going to explain your comment any further?
Where we are now is life. Things go up and down. You can’t just keep doing the same thing expecting it to get better when the system doesn’t work that way. Sometimes in life you go through hard times so that the future is better.
I couldn't have made a better argument against voting against democrats.
Cool, accelerationist.
When you’ve lived more years you’ll understand
Interesting. Since I feel like it's the 19 year olds who still believe voting against democrats will fix everything, whereas those who are older than that have seen the reality that this plan would never work.
There are two sides of the spectrum. Old people who believe in political parties and young people who want to blow it all up. Always been that way. Old people die. Young people get old shifting their ideologies with them, and the cycle continues.
There was not some single event or entity that caused people to not want to vote in the last election. It was a hive mind. Nobody controls that. It was meant to be.
You deciding to vote for so and so is also part of a hive mind. You are not making that decision yourself. You were always going to do what you did.
And that's why you will solve nothing.
You’re right, and it’s because I voted for Harris. Good thing other people were smart enough not to.
People like you solve nothing.
It’s gonna get better. Life is cyclical. You can’t expect everything in your life to be rainbows and sunshine. Times will be hard and out of your control. You have to be prepared to deal with that.
I think you're getting down voted because people don't know from your original comment that you were referring to OP.
But yeah. Fuck these fake leftists who rallied hard against the idea of voting for Harris over Trump, then turn around crying and shivering that their virtue signal boycott surrendered the country to fascism.
Yes ozma alone is somehow responsible, on a niche online forum, instead of the people poorly planning a campaign.
If even one person was influenced by the one-sided crap they posted, then they are absolutely responsible for contributing to the result.
I at no time said they alone made anything happen. They were doing their best to contribute to it. Stop taking my comments out of context.