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I was speaking with an older lady about who could be as energizing for the left as Bernie for the next election, I said AOC and maybe Jasmine Crockett on the same ticket. (which is a pipe dream, I'm sure)
Anyway, she said Gavin Newsom, and didn't believe me when I said he's a centrist. And I couldn't understand why she even felt he's a leftist. He must have some good pr somewhere that I'm not looking lol
There's plenty of left leaning Americans who think Doug Ford is a good guy because he says shit about Trump. It shouldn't be surprising.
To be fair, most Americans don't pay any attention to Canadian politics (or any other country tbh). So Doug's jacked up policies go in one ear and out the other because they very broadly don't affect Americans.
Can't really blame Americans for not knowing or caring about politics outside the US, we have to keep up with ones own state, federal, and possibly the politics of neighboring states.
The older lady is driven by name recognition.
Her and the vast majority of the rest of the American voters.
Corporate media and billions in oligarchy money.
It is sad that we keep having to repeat the same thing over and over again yet people refuse to learn. The Democratic party and the Republican party are both tools of the same oligarchy and they both fight against the normal people in different flavors. The Democrats happily gave the last election to Trump instead of stopping an US backed genocide and since then they often cooperated to help Trumps fascist power grab.
Unless the party is fundamentally changed and all its current and past leaders ousted and disgraced, it cannot be a means for bettering society.
People just remember he was the mayor of one of the most liberal cities in the US, so it translates in their head as him being liberal.
most name recognition, but in reality his policies always sucked, after he wasnt mayor, he sorta disappeared, because of his lack of charisma, he couldnt get elected multiple times in california. he is a favorite amongst some well off people, but not everyone else. i was there when he was still married to kimberly guillifoyle.
That pipe dream would be so fantastic!
Gavin has done what no one else is doing, punching back, speaking Trump's language. It's getting attention from all quarters. Meanwhile Dems are busy shutting him down preemptively because purity tests. It's another fascinating move from the "we don't want to govern" party.
Punching back is the absolute bare minimum requirement for a supposed opposition party (looking at you Schumer and Jeffries).
But Newsom has been repeatedly demonstrating that he is willing to throw our trans friends and unhoused neighbors under the bus for political points. Ask yourself, if he's willing to betray one group, what's stopping him from betraying any other group should he decide that it's politically expedient?
This has nothing to do with "purity tests"
Thank you for being more eloquent with your reply than I was able to be. That purity test comment made me see red. Where else are disenfranchised groups to go, but to the left? How can we be represented if the only place we can turn refuses to represent us?
Comments about purity tests are conversation-terminating cliches that should be downvoted.
That's the idea. That's the entire idea. Betrayal of the marginalized is centrists' whole thing.
Wanting your governor to not kill poor people isn't a purity test...
What do you think Trump will do to poor people?
This is every bit the Dems who refused to vote Kamala because of her Palestinian stance - a purity test that helped ensure Trump won, and we'd sit and do nothing as a genocide occurred. But we sure showed Kamala, huh
Anyone who unironically uses the phrase "purity test" is just saying that they have no standards and expect everyone to their left to abandon theirs.
Isrsael explicitly say they want to do their own version of the holocust and still think it's not the priority? You had zero moral
Newsom can talk ahit about Trump all he likes. Maybe it'll help instead of just being an empty gesture, we'll see.
But even if it succeeds, that doesn't mean I'm obligated to support him in 2028. Though I might add him to the list of centrists I despise slightly less than the others.
many of the people in his state, on the sub, said hes just doing meaningless gestures against trump while ignoring his own states problem
He's redistricting California which, now TWO red states are doing, but only one blue state has accomplished. Will any others?
He got it on the ballot, which is being voted on in November. This is not the same thing as him redistricting the state, and it also gives him a way to be blameless if it fails.
From what I can tell there isn’t a law that requires districting changes go to a popular vote in California. If I’m wrong on this someone please correct me.
Utah is looking to redistrict in Dem favor.
dint a red state just elected some senators for the first time in a while due to thier districting.