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I'll go first.
I'll add:
"AI bad" overrides "Piracy ok", though. I've seen threads in the main piracy community where the general consensus seemed to be that copyright should be used as a weapon against AI.
Because piracy advocacy here on the Fediverse is about that, yeah. You're saying the same thing I am, that the Fediverse's pro-piracy bias is "overridden" by its anti-AI bias.
Yes, exactly what I'm saying. People on the Fediverse hate AI more than they support piracy, because when there's a situation that involves both enabling piracy and helping AI they will side with the anti-piracy side in order to hurt the AI side. The Fediverse has more of an anti-AI bias than it has a pro-piracy bias.
It sounds to me like you're just saying why your support for piracy is limited in this case. You're saying "piracy's okay, but not when those companies use it for those reasons."
Having rules about who is "allowed" to copy stuff and for what reasons is, in a nutshell, copyright law.
The original comment I'm responding to listed two biases of the Fediverse's population:
All that I'm saying - and that you are, as far as I can tell, agreeing with - is that in the situation where "piracy ok" and "AI bad" overlap the "AI bad" bias prevails. People who were cheering piracy moments earlier stop and go "no, not like that."
As far as I can see, you're saying the same thing. You're just trying to justify why you're saying "no, not like that." Which is not relevant to the basic point I was making.
You're both arguing anchored on hyper-reductive takes on what people think.
People who think "Piracy OK" rarelly think that "All Piracy is OK" (for example people who think Piracy for personal profit is OK are pretty rare) and similarly those who think "AI is bad" seldom think it's all bad (I have yet to hear a negative take on AI Character Recognition)
If one takes those two sentences as absolutes with none of that nuance and then extrapolates from such artificially narrowed premises, then of course the result will be ridiculous and contradictory.
If you go back to my original comment you'll see that I said:
That's the "Piracy OK" side, so yes, there is hypocrisy there. I'm reminded of the classic "what kind of woman do you think I am?" story.
Copyright good unless it's major companies/brands whatever (basically if not indie = bad)
I'm not sure how true that is for the largest instance (lemmy.world) but apart from that it seems quite on point
I think you're right on all these points, though it depends a bit on what part of the Fediverse you're exposed to.
On the point of anti-capitalism, I agree, but (again, depending on the part of the Fediverse) there's also an incredibly high amount of open-minded people here, compared to other more mainstream social media (like Reddit). I speak much from my perspective of being from lemmy.zip, which I'm impressed by the healthiness of the community since I joined. But there are also less "healthy" instances like lemmy.ml which is considered by many to be infested with tankies (anti-capitalism?).
And yes, the average age seems to be around mid-30s to me, based solely on how people speak and what they reminisce about.
I think what muddles the water on the "Leftwing" character of Lemmy is that there are two kinds here: those whose personal Principles (mainly around the importance reducing the suffering and increasing the happiness of others, rather than just themselves) which lead them to support leftwing policies and those support Political forces or ideologies which are deemed Leftwing, and hence see themselves as Leftwing.
IMHO it's last group that explains in Lemmy things like authoritarian leftwingers (i.e. tankies) and people who think they're leftwingers because they tribalistically support certain mainstream political parties who claim to be Left but are at best moral liberal and even that second to their very rightwing broader stand on general Equality and quality of life for the many (such as the US Democrats, UK Labour, German SPD and so on).
My impression is that Lemmy has a much higher proportion of Principled Left-wingers than the wider society.
This is probably why if you're not in an instance that blocks the tankie instances, in between the tankies, the principled types and the mainstream "leftwing" party tribalists it almost feels like there are 3 kinds of "Left" in Lemmy.
Enjoy. Less echo bubbles. This goes in both directions, but mainly I value that younger people are able to be part of "mature conversations". Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to underestimate your worldview or anything. It's just that I'm remembering when I was around your age, the Internet was in a raw form, and it felt much like this. I was amazed to be able to talk with other adults and learn about their tastes on say books or movies when I joined some theme specific chat channel (via protocol IRC). At some point this changed drastically (e.g. Facebook connecting people from real life/ schools).. and I think nowadays TikTok, Insta, and for the most part, even YouTube are just centered around being young, pretty... very much like mainstream TV.
Yeah, I enjoyed that about reddit at that ave too. As an isolated teen it's all I had
I agree that the average age is higher. You're the only other confirmed teenager that I have encountered while on Lemmy. I joined Lemmy when I was 17 during the Reddit emmigration.
16 atm.
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.