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Pakistan police on Friday said a father shot dead his daughter after she refused to delete her account on popular video-sharing app TikTok.

In the Muslim-majority country, women can be subjected to violence by family members for not following strict rules on how to behave in public, including in online spaces.

"The girl's father had asked her to delete her TikTok account. On refusal, he killed her," a police spokesperson told AFP.

According to a police report shared with AFP, investigators said the father killed his 16-year-old daughter on Tuesday "for honor." He was subsequently arrested.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m willing to bet this is less about religion and more about an awful piece of shit human. There’s many cases of people killing their kids in the US that have nothing to do with religion. Just assholes that shouldn’t exist.

I do agree that religion sucks and encourages awful people, but to murder your kid you have to be a deranged human to begin with.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

many cases of people killing their kids in the US

We can take a look at honour killings ?

In 1989 in St. Louis, Missouri, sixteen-year-old Palestina (Tina) Isa was murdered by her Palestinian father, Zein Isa

Amina and Sarah Said were the children of an Egyptian immigrant father Yaser Abdel Said

Sandeela Kanwal was a Pakistani woman living in the Atlanta metropolitan area in Clayton County, Georgia, who was murdered by her father Chaudhry Rashid[1] in an honor killing, on July 6, 2008

In February 2009, Muzzammil Hassan (Pakistani American) was arrested and charged with murdering his estranged wife Aasiya Zubair with a knife

Faleh Hassan Almaleki, an Iraqi immigrant, used his vehicle to strike and kill his daughter Noor Almaleki (aged 20) in a Phoenix valley parking lot in October 2009

Jordanian-American Ali Mahmood Awad Irsan was sentenced to death in a Texas court on August 14, 2018, for the murders of Gelareh Bagherzadeh and Coty Beavers in Greater Houston

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing_in_the_United_States

Something in common with them all, I don't know what 🤔

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 18 points 1 day ago

If you label "when people from the middle east kill family members for disobeying the family" as honor killings, then yes it's going to be a list of primarily Muslim people.

If you replace "from the middle east" with "from Italian-American culture" you get a list of mafioso.

If you replace it with "from the Italian peninsula c.0 AD" then you get a list of Roman patriarchs who had the literal power of life or death legally over their offspring and numbered rather than named their useless daughters.

Islam did not make these people kill their families. It did however make an American decide to call it an "honor killing".

[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Yes, 'honor killing' happens at different rates in different cultures, and it being an important factor in Middle Eastern culture could explain a higher rates in these cultures. But I am wondering, do we kill our daughters and wifes less here in the West? Or do we just give up different motives than honor? The US certainly has a very high femicide rate, higher than most Middle Eastern countries. (according to this website. Haven't found infanticide rates yet.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 22 hours ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Doesn't split it by gender. Obviously there are much worse places (looking at you, Caribbean), but the U.S. needs to look in the mirror.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Okay I looked at these numbers and holy fuck, the only Middle Eastern country higher than America is Iraq, with 3.0 vs 2.5 per 100k women. For context the Iraqi data is taken from 2013, smack dab in the middle of the ISIS reign of terror. Like this isn't even a gotcha anymore I actually feel bad for American women who have to deal with this shit. There's no data for Pakistan, but for example Egypt is at 0.5, Jordan 0.6 and Palestine 0.3. With Egypt (which is middle-of-the-pack for the region) lower than most of Europe, a whole bunch of people should be doing a whole bunch of introspection before crying about other people's (admittedly vile) traditions.

[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 3 points 18 hours ago

But it's got nothing to do with 'honor' so it's okay. /s

[–] catty@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

You can listen to podcasts of Muslim "elders" and they openly laugh and boast about how women "should not even be heard" when those elders live in non-Eastern countries. Yes, England, I'm looking at you.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Ok, you specifically listed a small fraction of children murdered by their parents. Of course religion has issues and encourages and enables awful abuses. But if you are a parent who is capable of murdering your child, you are fucked in the head with or without religion. That’s all I’m saying.

[–] worldistracist@lemmy.cafe 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know exactly what you racist cunt. You just don't want to say it because it would defeat the dogwhistling

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] worldistracist@lemmy.cafe -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Typical deflection. "We're not racist we just hate islam", said every nazi for 20 years

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 1 points 21 hours ago

Islam is a religion.