Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All (potentially accidentally while scrolling).
Important notes:
- I don't use scripts.
- I don't mass-downvote Communities. If I see a post I generally don't like when browsing All, I may downvote one post, block the Community and move on.
- Some of the communities I was banned from don't have any posts in them so I wouldn't have been able to downvote anything.
- Of all of these Communities, in my history I downvoted one post in one of them. Voting in this manner is not vote manipulation. It's quite literally a feature of the platform and as a mod of another Community, I would consider it pretty good etiquette.
- One of my bans reads "Appeal Granted, not a brigading member" but I'm still banned.
- I don't troll.
WTF is going on here?
EDIT - Updated Info from the conversation below: In the initial image, you can see two "ban waves."
The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community. It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477
I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.
The other bans from two months ago are from four total downvotes over a 10-month timeframe in one Community.
I have also stated in this thread that I don't have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.
EDIT 2: Now unbanned from the ten Communities listed as "3 months ago" in my initial image, but have been banned from three more because of this thread with the reason given being "self-proclaimed anti-AI brigader" which are two things I didn't claim to be. God dammit Lemmy...
My first interaction with davel@lemmy.ml was him threatening to ban me over downvoting his comments.
One of the first things which made me look into what this power tripping bastard is and yeah, a Russian pretending to be an American who's since been avoiding any communities they're not a mod on.
Dude says things like "reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias" while pretending to be American while supporting Putin.
Lemmy is infested with Russians
Can this admin see these votes without diving through the database because he's an insecure douchebag? Like Mastodon only shows some things even to admins without being gross and unethical by digging into the database directly.
any instance admin can see all upvotes/downvotes on any message from the web UI
That feels gross, like if I could see poll voters on Mastodon.
Makes it feel like Lemmy was written by some insecure folks.
I think what seals it for me is that mods and admins can see how you vote, but the mod log just says “mod”.
Mod log shows admins which mod was involved in the decision.
I will agree that the whole dichotomy where some information is federated freely across the network, but then hidden from some users because they are not very special people in our very special club of special people, is ridiculous. The thing is though that it’s hopeless trying to keep “who voted on this” or “which moderator moderated this” secret in any genuine sense. And so, I think it should just be shown.
The whole “moderators act in secret” “votes are secret” thing is just an inheritance from Reddit, and emulating Reddit was always a terrible decision done by people who apparently dream of running a little fiefdom where the users have no power. There just shouldn’t be an informational gap between the virgin user and the chad admin. We can all just be people, sharing the network.
I agree completely.
You can see the details if you use the Tesseract front end for Lemmy when you check the mod log, if your instance supports it.
Ah, that’s good to know thank you.
Unfortunate follow up: the dev of Tesseract just announced today that he’s quitting and it’s not going to be supported any longer 😔 I imagine instances that already support it will continue doing so for a while, but unless there’s a fork it’ll probably eventually break.
It's not lemmy, it's just how the fediverse works to prevent double voting
Mastodon also being on ActivityPub, that's really likely the same thing, except maybe not implemented in the UI, but that could be accessed by the API or in the DB
I'm well aware, I run an instance and know it's in the DB. But on my instance I'd have to trawl the database for it instead of getting a nice UI look. That's what I meant.
lemmy devs probably thought it was important enough to add then
It's easier to ~~censor~~ moderate lemmy.ml this way
Mastodon shows you the votes just by clicking and seeing who liked the thing. No admin access necessary.
This is one among a few different reasons why hoping for votes to be private on Lemmy is a lost cause.
Is that a fork? Or just the newest update? The instance I run doesn't have that.
What? Sure it does. Upvote a comment from Lemmy, then go to Mastodon and look at the same comment, and you'll see a "like" from the Lemmy user that upvoted it. Right?
No idea.
Pretty sure Davel is just a mod, so that'd be a "no", but again, "no idea" is my more reliable answer.
I did downvote several of his comments, but not like "spam downvoted", but from honest disagreement. Not my fault everything he writes is bullshit. So after I downvoted a few comments while replying to him, he replied "oh see, here on 'whatevercommunity' we ban people who downvote others for no reason', as if I had no reason.
They're just extremely silly and see through and you ought to question everyone on Lemmy about it. Because while opensource open platforms are great, they're also super easy to infiltrate.