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This is completely ignoring the boycott and parallel society angle. What Zionists did in pre-mandate Palestine was also forced expulsion of Palestinians; the forcing part was simply delegated to the state. Had they simply wanted to settle in Palestine nobody would've minded, but that was fundamentally not what the Zionist project was.
-Wikipedia
Nazism had a lot to do with the German people expanding their homeland to Eastern Europe and Russia and murdering the inhabitants. Starting to see the similarities now? Nazism and Zionism are sister ideologies, both fruits from the same rotten tree that is European settler colonialism.
Anyone could argue that “my people deserve this” is a similar ideology. That’s just false equivalence. You are cherry picking, and ignoring a whole lot of history and intention.
Has Israel moved towards a similar ideology? Yes. But to claim in started out with that intent is just angry jaw flapping.
"My people deserve this land at the expense of its current inhabitants" is fascism, or at least the underpinning thereof, so you're not wrong there. Nazism, Zionism, Manifest Destiny, it is literally the same thing manifesting in different ways. Look up "blood and soil" and "Lebensraum". Ben Gurion is literally on record saying "we must remove the Arabs and take their place". The Nakba started before the founding of Israel. If you have an argument for how the Nakba was anything but fascism, let's hear it, but so far you're not saying anything of substance.
Okay let's try this. Try this online quiz and see if you can get more than 15/21.
It’s really easy to cherry pick similar statements from people and compare them and make a whole website. Anyone could do the exact opposite.
If you’re going to quote people, you need to use dates because as I have said before dates matter.
who bombed the king david hotel again and became leaders of israel? was it the palestinians? No?
Gee and its a wonder why they aren't called terrorists. Could it be, could be it be racism and colonialism?
Ben Gurion's is 1937.
My dude non-fascists don't say "when we settle [region], [group] will have no choice but to scurry like drugged cockroaches" (dated 1983 btw). Also the site has dates and sources for the quotes; most Zionist quotes are recent but a few are from the 20th century with two from before WWI. They even have one by Herzl himself. Zionism was and continues to use and be predicated on downright Nazi antisemitic propaganda about how Jews can never live with non-Jews and how diaspora Jews are sickly and weak and all that shit. That's why they shit on Holocaust victims, for instance.
1937 is how many years after 1897? Have I not been saying this entire time that the original idea was lost? Yes.. pretty sure I did… yup checked I did.
My dude? Okay have a good day if you’re going to talk like that.
Well obviously if you define your "original idea" early enough there'll be nothing to criticize because they'll have done nothing yet. But fine. Is plain antisemitic propaganda in 1904 early enough for you? What about "a land without a people for a people without a land" in 1898?
-Ze'ev Jabotinsky (né Vladimir Yevgenyevich Zhabotinsky), Revisionist Zionist leader who co-founded the Jewish Legion of the British Army in World War I, on June 06, 1904
-Literally Theodor Herzl, 1896.
My dude, it’s over. Goodbye.
Classic troll pulls their ripcord as soon as their interlocutor brings receipts.
Thanks for doing that btw. SO many more people will read the actual sources in this thread and come to their conclusion instead of yours.
L debate skills
Goodbye, my dude
PS: I have literally never seen anyone complain about this before. Is this not normal internet English?
You don’t know that “my dude” means “fuck you you piece of shit”? I mean, are you 12 years old? I was saying “my dude” as an insult in 1998. Grow up.
I think you thought you offended some folks with an endearing phrase. My whole life I have heard it used and I've used it myself as a synonym of "friend" or otherwise respectable reference to someone. Quick online check agrees.
Huh? Okay I'm not a native speaker so I'm not exactly an authority here but I'm 99.999% sure this is either a dialect, extremely local slang or something equally weird. Can someone confirm or deny this? A quick google didn't turn out anything either.
My dude, chill.
It's over, but not before you were soundly and mostly politely trounced. Grasping on their using "my dude" as justification to duck out is the lamest cope I've seen in years.
It’s just a back and forth that won’t end. And we both agree that Israel is genocidal assholes, so what’s the point of arguing the chicken and the egg anymore than we have, my dude.