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When lunatics start talking about expelling all Israelis 'Back to Europe' instead of integrating them in a one-state solution
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this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2025
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So there's no retribution against Israel that's not antisemitism? I mean expulsion is probably better than the alternative? What do you believe should be the response? Or do we just let a genocide continue without any consequence?
Lol, they are occupying Gaza right now.... Just because the immigrants aren't the ones moving into the Lebensraum doesn't mean that it isn't the states goal to expand the population to the point where they demand more living space.
My dude.... My point is that people are critical of an ethno-state, which inherently creates policy based on serving that ethnicity at the expense of others. If you criticize that policy it's not racism, it's criticizing a government built on racism.
Is it racist against Germans to say they shouldn't have invaded Poland, Or to kick out Germans who immigrated to Austria after they invaded? You aren't really accounting that these are responses to a nation currently coming genocide, not just people hating an ethnicity for no particular reason.
Holy fucking shit, how is it that you are incapable of conceiving any way of punishing a government that isn't "Ethnic cleansing" or "Genocide via murder"?!
Oh, of course, that completely explains why Israelis have to be ethnically cleansed, thank you for informing me on the moral and practical necessity of genocide when it's against Bad Ethnicity.
"People are just being critical of an ethnostate when they advocate for ethnic cleansing and genocide!"
What the ever-loving fuck. You're sitting here, not just 'criticizing' the horrific policies of the Israeli state, but outright advocating for the ethnic cleansing of Israel of Israeli Jews, and you have the gall to claim it's "not racism, it's criticizing a government built on racism"?
Nice try, but that's not what you're saying here. If I may quote you in this very same fucking comment after it was pointed out that expelling people based on their ethnicity is actually kind of fucking horrific:
You do realize that the entire ethnic cleansing of Germans after WW2 is a massive atrocity that occurred and a subject of intense study by historians and sociologists, right?
No, no, what am I saying? Ethnic cleansing is a good and wholesome response for the crimes of a country. That's why Nazi Germany was justified in ethnically cleansing Alsace-Lorraine! Oh, fuck, wait, no, that's bad. That's why Israel was justified in ethnically cleansing Palestinians! No, wait, that's bad too. Oh, wait, I have it! That's why Palestine would be justified in ethnically cleansing Israel! There! GOOD ethnic cleansing to go against all that BAD ethnic cleansing!
"Israel is committing genocide, therefore, it's okay to genocide Israelis!"
Fucking lunacy.
Funny that your definition of ethnic cleansing is dependent on who's doing it. Removing an occupying force....ethnic cleansing. Israel occupying Gaza...not an ethnic cleansing. Interesting.
"People immigrating to Israel, in majority Jewish Israeli areas, where the Israeli state is recognized as having jurisdiction by international law and consensus, is not fucking ethnic cleansing, no."
Is what I responded too......your hysterics are not an argument.
Lol, who is calling for a genocide of Israelis? Your definition of ethnic cleansing is also not on solid ground. Deporting the colonizing forces of a hostile state who is actively doing a genocide isn't exactly an "ethnic cleansing ".
Again.....with the hyperbole. Plus I never even advocated the removal of Jews from Israel. I said I can understand why Palestinians would want that.
Again..... You are conflating nationality with ethnicity....which is why ethno-states are wrong. Russians didn't kill Germans because of their ethnicity, they killed Germans because the German nation did so many war crimes during their invasion.
You're conflating ethnic cleansing with genocide..... And you are utilizing a very dubious definition of ethnic cleansing to begin with.
Oh yeah.....because Palestinians wanting Israelis to immigrate back to Europe is the same as a genocide.
Again, I don't really think you are acknowledging the fact that an apartheid ethno-state is genociding a people who used to own the land that ethno-state is founded upon.
Is really that hard to understand why a Palestinian would want Israelis to go away?
By the way, labeling decolonization as genocide is an age old tactic of those who benefit from colonialism
I literally call Israel's actions genocide several times in this very thread.
Do you need a remedial literacy class or something?
Jesus fucking Christ. Thank you for demonstrating my point, Mirror Hasbara.
"People immigrating to Israel, in majority Jewish Israeli areas, where the Israeli state is recognized as having jurisdiction by international law and consensus, is not fucking ethnic cleansing, no."
So a state is paying people to immigrate, and that state is also paying for the colonization of a neighboring state and forcibly moving the ethnic population....but since it's not the same people it's not ethnic cleansing?
Lol, you don't have a fucking point other than conflating decolonization with genocide.
The discussion was about the question of expelling Israeli immigrants for the crime of being immigrants, so no, those immigrants were not engaging in ethnic cleansing. Is it a lack of literacy, or a lack of intellectual integrity that causes you to conflate me saying "every Israeli immigrant isn't engaging in ethnic cleansing and thus cannot be collectively punished with ethnic cleansing" with "The government of Israel is not committing ethnic cleansing"?
Both, maybe?
Please, tell me more about how ethnic cleansing isn't genocide if it's done to Bad Ethnicity(tm).
The question wasn't about the individuals.....it was about the state, as it has been the whole time. And you have the gall to talk about literacy and a especially integrity considering your entire argument is based on malicious interpretation.
^Please, tell me more about how ethnic cleansing isn't genocide if it's done to Bad Ethnicity(tm).
Already sent you an article about the delineation between decolonization and ethnic cleansing...... And how that claim is often used by people who support apartheid and colonialism.
That is the comment which started the conversation and which I replied to, it is literally about individuals
Fucking Duning-Kruger in the flesh. Your own inabilities rob you of the ability to recognize your own inability.
Go ahead. Say that's secretly about the state. Or maybe you can say "The state and individuals are one and the same, so it's okay to commit genocide" a third time, because like the Zionists, genocide is apparently the only thing that gets you off.
Yes, yes, the sacred words of your religion absolve you for doing the exact same thing as the Zionists.
"Is Israel paying for people to immigrate to Israel with the purpose of expanding the Israeli state not an ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?"
This is the question you responded to ......Why can't you argue in any sort of good faith? Is it against your principles or something?
Religion? Are you mentally well? I thought you were just being an asshole with the ad hominems and your general beligerence, but im beginning to think you might be bipolar or something.