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When lunatics start talking about expelling all Israelis 'Back to Europe' instead of integrating them in a one-state solution (lemmy.world)
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[–] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

By that logic that birth in Israel gives the right to stay there, this would in turn mean that this birth revokes the right to compensation for the ancestors that were murdered in the Holocaust or survived it and chose not to go back to Germany.

You cant have it both.

Also the Palestinians who were also born on that land and driven out, should then not have the right to return? This is just Imperialism and Apartheid with extra steps.

Unless the current illegal occupiers buy the land from the legitimate owners at a fair price and compensate the legitimate owners for the time of the illegal occupation, they have no right to remain on that land.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

By that logic that birth in Israel gives the right to stay there, this would in turn mean that this birth revokes the right to compensation for the ancestors that were murdered in the Holocaust or survived it and chose not to go back to Germany.

... how much 'compensation' do you think modern Germany is paying out to the descendants of Holocaust survivors, again?

Also the Palestinians who were also born on that land and driven out, should then not have the right to return?

Yes, they should.

Unless the current illegal occupiers buy the land from the legitimate owners at a fair price and compensate the legitimate owners for the time of the illegal occupation, they have no right to remain on that land.

Can't wait til you find out that your own land was once owned by another nation. Can't wait til we dissolve Germany, strip all the land from the so-called 'Germans' which inhabit it, and send 'foreign' Germans back to the land they came from, those filthy immigrants.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

… how much ‘compensation’ do you think modern Germany is paying out to the descendants of Holocaust survivors, again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claims_Conference

The Conference continually negotiates to expand and liberalize eligibility criteria in order to include additional victims in the programs. In 1978, after 25 years of payments, the total Federal Republic of Germany compensation payments amounted to 53 billion Deutsch Marks.[7] Payments from some programs continue to this day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Restitution_Laws

The BErG/BEG deals with compensatory payments for suffered personal damage, while the BRüG covers restitutions for expropriated property. Claimants had to file their claims in order to receive payments; the term for filing claims under the BEG expired on 31 December 1969.[1]

After the fall of the German Democratic Republic and the reunification of Germany in 1990, German authorities had to wrestle with the enormous complexity of applying these laws and former GDR law in addressing property claims.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiedergutmachung

The sum would amount, through the years, to over 100 billion Deutsche Mark.

To give a ballpark, lets assume 1975 as the baseline for the inflation.

Using this calculator this is equivalent to about 172 billion Euros in todays value.

Note that this sum does not included the houses and land, that was returned to its rightful Jewish owners or their inheritors.

As for "my own land". I don't own any land and i have been paying rent ever since i left my parents house. If any of the landlords i paid to has stolen this land, they absolutely should pay the rightful owners.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Wiedergutmachung (German pronunciation: [viːdɐˈɡuːtˌmaxʊŋ] ⓘ; German: "compensation", "restitution", lit: "make good again") refers to the reparations that the German government agreed to pay in 1953 **to the direct survivors of the Holocaust, and to those who were made to work at forced labour camps or who otherwise became victims of the Nazis. **

As of 2012, the Claims Conference had administered the following programs, which provide direct payments to Jewish victims of Nazi persecution.

The German Restitution Laws were a series of laws passed in the 1950s in West Germany regulating the restitution of lost property and the payment of damages to victims of the Nazi persecution in the period 1933 to 1945.

I ask about modern Germany paying out to descendants of Holocaust survivors, which was the claim you made, specifically, in attempting to attack Israelis born in Israel as 'not real', and you point me to Germany paying out money to literal Holocaust survivors. Fantastic. Definitely not bullshitting to justify deeply antisemitic ideas. Perhaps you and Elon Musk would get along well.

As for “my own land”. I don’t own any land and i have been paying rent ever since i left my parents house. If any of the landlords i paid to has stolen this land, they absolutely should pay the rightful owners.

What makes you think you have a right to benefit from renting stolen land? What makes you think that you should be allowed to reside on stolen land, colonizer? You should be shipped back to the country of your ancestors, by your own argument.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The restitution of stolen property also goes to the descendants.

The Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany, or Claims Conference, represents the world's Jews in negotiating for compensation and restitution for victims of Nazi persecution and their heirs.

Literally the first two sentences of the linked Wikipedia article.

I find it shocking how you are wildly attacking people for pointing out facts that contradict your position.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Literally the first two sentences of the linked Wikipedia article.

I apologize for actually reading the article. Do you know what an 'heir' is, or do you think it's just any descendant?

I find it shocking how you are wildly attacking people for pointing out facts that contradict your position.

And I find it shocking that you're repeating antisemitic lines about deporting Jews to the land of their ancestors straight out of the Nazi playbook, but here we fucking are.

Again, what makes you think you have a right to benefit from renting stolen land? What makes you think that you should be allowed to reside on stolen land, colonizer? You should be shipped back to the country of your ancestors, by your own argument.