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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.
AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)
This is sneer club, not debate club. Unless it's amusing debate.
[Especially don't debate the race scientists, if any sneak in - we ban and delete them as unsuitable for the server.]
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That wasn't a debate, I just find it easier to process my thoughts about something by writing about what I think of it in a semi-formal way (not because I expect people to actually read whatever I ramble on about, but because it's easier for me to go back to it myself if it visually looks less informal). I'm not trying to actually debate anyone here, wherever "here" is (I don't remember if I've seen this community on my feed before, I don't generally pay that much attention to what specific community something is in but looking at it upon it coming up, I'm a bit confused about what this one is). I don't have a lot of self control about replying to things and find it very hard not to get into arguments if I find something I disagree with, but I don't actually enjoy arguing and don't have the skills for formalized "debate" anyway.
I'm not saying that the article directly stated these things, they're the subtext that I got out of reading it, and mostly come from the later parts of the text or just from other stuff I've read that felt like it had the same sort of message (because again, I'm not trying to actually prove anything to someone with all this). I did read the earlier parts too, yes, but I guess they seemed obvious enough that they didn't stick in my head as much as the later bits. Of course facists lie, that's pretty much the only thing their ideology runs on, that's less interesting to me than the bits at the end where they mentioned, for example, Kim Stanley Robinson. I know golden age sci-fi runs on magic, but I also think that things of similar scale and potential are possible within the already known physics of the real world, eventually.
fair enough!
it’s ok, nobody does. that’s why we ban it unless it’s amusing (which effectively bans debate for everyone unless they know their audience well enough to not fuck up) — shitty debatelords take up a lot of thread space and mental energy and give essentially nothing back.
SneerClub is a fairly old community if you count in its Reddit origins; part of what we do here is sneering at technofascists and other adherents to the TESCREAL belief package, though SneerClub itself tends to focus on the LessWrong Rationalists. that’s the context we tend to apply to articles like the OP.
Hmm, you probably wouldn't/shouldn't like me particularly much then, I've not heard that term before but I do very strongly consider myself a transhumanist at the very least. I suppose I won't try to explain why that is, if it's both a place that doesn't like that stuff but also bans arguing. Feel free to laugh at my hubris I guess, if that's what you mean by sneering? Though I guess I can get the part about silicon valley types, if the technology to do what I would actually want to do with myself came out but it was developed and sold by like, Elon Musk or such I'm not touching it with the world's longest pole.
Re being a transhumanists: Well that is why I personally dont like the term tescreal, as I do think there can be good transhumanists out there. The hot swappable furry sex organ transhumanists vs the I just want to code javascript faster transhumanists. (Meant as strawman of both, but Id prefer the first, esp as they are more likely to go the 'it should be available to all of us or none of us' route).
Personally I dont think I would mind living forever (or untill Im tired of it) given everyone gets the choice we stay healthy and have free stuff for example. But that will not happen under the Muskians/Rationalists/etc. (im remembering the moment I discovered one of the H+ people was spouting anti trans lines for example, they just want to personally live forever and fuck everyone else it seems).
E: ah they got told to leave.