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False. Patriotism is simping for a state even if it hurts you.
The way we defeat fascism is by rallying around shared ideas and ideals. And not by being an island of one.
Yes. And I am arguing which option is the "island of one" is Patriotism.
Nah, your argument is that you're a cool edge lord who rejects any association with other people if it means risking your purity.
The whole point of rejecting a national identity is to form a broader human identity. But instead of that people seem to take leftism as another kind of American libertarian individualism were the goal is to reject being apart of anything bigger than yourself.
Believing in shared ideals like freedom and justice for all means rejecting a state when it abandons those ideals.
As much as I tell you I voted for Kamala, and beg you you to say Zohran Mamdani's name and acknowledge him as a Democrat in your unrolled "vote blue no matter who" screeds, you're gonna project that "purity" onto me?
Do you want to actually unpack what I actually believe to understand the absurdity of your statement, or do you wanna be a useless shitlib that knows "you're right"?
Good. Glad to hear you're not that kind of "patriot".
You're on the right track. Think Globally, act Locally.
What if I told you that any genuinely Left Irish Republicanism, even from the Irish Diaspora, requires calling for a Free Palestine? We have arrived at that same human collective conclusion while allowing for Pride in our own identity to participate in cementing that.
Mamdani is a socialist like myself. He's using the Democrat party because it's the most useful tool available to him. But he's not a neoliberal Democrat.
I'm a registered independent. I'm not this neoliberal you've concocted to debate with. I know Mamdani's got a lock on the Mayoral race as the Democratic nominee. And I don't gatekeep who is in the Democratic Party.
Lol, your argument is to refuse to vote for anyone who isn't as far left as Mamdani. You're not arguing to think globally or act locally. You're larping on the internet.
But you'll argue against voting for candidates who aren't fascists in future election. Even if that means the fascists will continue to genocide the people you pretend to care about. No thanks.
Again, I voted the same way you did. It was self defense. I'm pissed off at Democrats for using this to consistently concede towards the Right for decades, but I don't have the power to create a better choice. And further, I felt that every piece of rhetoric to bring comrades with me? Was taken from me by the liberals who wanted my vote.
How much of this was media "dissonance"? We really should unpack. Not to declare blame, but to prepare for it next time.
Comrade, we've been arguing from what is actually two sides of the same position. I'd rather focus on what's next than what's past for its own sake, and that's how you came off to me.
I'd rather focus on what gets people excited - Mamdani, rn.
If I may be permitted a moment to disappear up my own asshole: I just deleted several paragraphs unpacking something I'm going to describe as "post-anarcho-nihilism."
The Acceleration is locked in - just look at Texas flooding again. Again again. Use anything and everything you can for collective human dignity and survival.
And even I vote Blue, holding my nose the whole way. But sometimes I'll fall short in bringing sources of valid, quality info to my community about when its time to bring them to the ballot box for a holding-action on that deepening Acceleration.
What do you suggest we do better next time?
The acceleration stops when we stop letting things get worse. Things only get better when we learn from our mistakes and use that knowledge to make things better. We have to educate people. Part of that means accepting not voting for Harris was a mistake in 2024. Which if you don't have a problem with then there's not much to discuss there. It was other people in the comment section who were still needing that pointed out.
We're more than likely going to end up in a similar scenario, with an incrementally better neoliberal, in 2028 if we even get an election. And that's if Gavin Newsom doesn't end up being the candidate. I'm starting to think he's going to go full "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" and just run on being more fascist than the Rebuplicans. Regardless, we need socialists and progressives to co-opt the Democrat party from the current establishment, neoliberal Democrats and then win every election we can. That becomes harder to do the longer we're stuck in a christo-fascist dictatorship. Not to mention the damage to the planet and vulnerable communities all over the world in the meantime.
We need to support candidates like Mamdani. And not allow fascists to win when the choice is between them and a neoliberal. That's how we reduce the most harm in the short run and set the stage to have a socialist political revolution in the long run.
This has gotten me thinking how problematic a Newsom v DeSantis race could be in 2028. =(