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[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

You can still play it but increasingly games are becoming very different from what you bought.

I've started noticing a disturbing trend. More and more games that are older being sold at steep discounts or "free to play" and simultaneously jampacked with invasive telemetry and/or ads/microtransactions. And since Steam won't let you play older versions, those games are effectively dead.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

FYI if seems you can access older versions of Steam games, it's just a bit hacky

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 7 hours ago

If I want hacky, I'll go pirate the game. I pay for them so I don't need a computer science degree to play them.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is what firewalls and sinkholes are for. Stupid telemetry.

Yet I never noticed such a "trend" in direct combination with steam. The whole industry goes to shit, but it's not steam's fault.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

That is what firewalls and sinkholes are for. Stupid telemetry.

That shouldn't be necessary and is beside the point.

The whole industry goes to shit, but it's not steam's fault.

  1. Steam has the clout to fight back against this
  2. As I already mentioned, it is partially because they don't allow you to run older versions of games.
[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Firewalls and especially sinkholes are VERY necessary, far beyond silly game telemetry.

They don't allow this for a good reason. Imagine 1 million clueless gamers running an older version of their game because they're too lazy too update. And, of course, then complain about a buggy game and the tech-support will drown even more and review would end up more badly. nothing worse than a fragmented game-world. how should online games work if every Joe and Jane got their "own" favorite version? the average user is a total clueless (pc-wise) person.

Also, you can install an older version. Just with more hassles. Also you could by GUI with many games IF the Dev wants you to be able to. Like a select few versions, if you'd prefer an older state. But, of course, only indie devs do that.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Firewalls and especially sinkholes are VERY necessary

You misread my comment. I didn't say they weren't necessary.

Imagine 1 million clueless gamers running an older version of their game because they're too lazy too update.

  1. GOG already does this and it's not a problem.
  2. It updates automatically but you can choose to roll it back at any time.

how should online games work if every Joe and Jane got their "own" favorite version?

Not talking about online games. Besides, the how or why do not matter, the point is the games are gone.

Also, you can install an older version. Just with more hassles.

I pay Steam to deal with the hassles. I am not a software engineer.

But, of course, only indie devs do that.

Valve has the power to enforce this system-wide.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 45 minutes ago

Gog does it, but Gog only offers a mere fraction of what Steam has. Also your example of BL2 is not on gog either. For that reason.

Sure, Valve could enforce that, but...as said....why? They already offer the option for different versions. If the devs don't use that, they will have their reasons. The biggest one i mentioned before: Fragmentation and the resulting nightmare of customer-support. On steam's AND the dev's side. Look at the Android or Windows-market. Someone complaining "my windows sucks", but still uses Windows Vista. Or people screaming for support because "my favourite app doesn't work" and use android 10.

Don't get me wrong, personally I'd value the freedom of choice. But the vast majority of people are clueless (and still use those devices) and need to be "guided". Every system gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. That's why apple does so well (besides the "brand"-shit ofc).

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

[...] because they don't allow you to run older versions of games.

They do if the dev makes it available, I'm looking at four different versions of Terraria in the beta menu right now that stretch back four major versions. I'm pretty sure a couple games in my library somewhere have their entire update history in there, though I can't think of one to name off the top of my head right now, that's not a feature I use very often. [Edit: Rift Wizard is one that does precisely this, I knew I had at least one in here]

This is not true of all games, but it could be, either directly by game devs without Valve even having to care, or via pressure by Valve by just making older versions available whether the devs want it or not. I think the latter option is probably the better move, but there's technically nothing stopping the former other than the game devs themselves.

There's also a valid argument that making downpatching very easy would be a huge boon to piracy. This is a reasonable talking point no matter which side of that fence you sit on. It would also probably benefit modding as well, which I think is a more objective good but some game developers or more likely publishers would probably disagree.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

They do if the dev makes it available

That shouldn't be their decision.

I'm looking at four different versions of Terraria

Literally never seen that before. I think I see if the dev pushing their 4th update that day and now I have to wait a half an hour to play the damn game.

downpatching very easy would be a huge boon to piracy.

Not my problem. Guess I'd better just pirate the game instead.

[–] atomicpoet@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Out of the thousands of games I have, not once have I noticed anything like you describe.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh well if you haven't experienced it, it must not exist then 🤷

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

hmmm that doesn't ring a bell here either. Which games do this ?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The most recent ones I've noticed are Riders Republic and Borderlands 2. Helldivers also introduced a bunch of new microtransactions years after it's launch.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And what there is steam's doing? Borderland's a greedy IP from a greedy company. What do you expect?

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

And since Steam won't let you play older versions, those games are effectively dead.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

So it's the fault of the delivery-device? Why didn't you make a backup of an older version just in case? Besides, last time I checked, you can. With a bit more hassle. All not the case for a "live" online-game. Which borderlands wants to be.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

So it's the fault of the delivery-device?

...yeah? Of course it is.

Why didn't you make a backup of an older version just in case?

I pay Steam to do that.

Besides, last time I checked, you can. With a bit more hassle.

Not interested.

All not the case for a "live" online-game. Which borderlands wants to be.

That's exactly the problem.

[–] Dyskolos@lemmy.zip 1 points 41 minutes ago

If BL is "exactly the problem". And GOG does it better. Why is it still steam's fault? Use GOG then? Where is it the delivery-device's fault? As BL2 offers online-coop, and is also the major selling point of that game, a fragmented market is impossible.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

I have to say I never played those. Do these microtransactions lock content that was previously available out of the box?

[–] atomicpoet@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, if it’s a trend, you’d think I would have noticed it by now.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And I suppose my experience doesn't count? Or you think I'm making this up?

[–] atomicpoet@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I don’t know, you haven’t pointed out multiple examples.