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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think we should be going around shooting people. But I do think that there is some sense to the idea that an armed populace is more difficult to control, which is often a problem in the US, but can occasionally work for the greater good.

And if things got really, really bad, the plan wouldn't be to line up in front of the army and trade blows - this isn't 17th century Europe.

The American military is excellent at fighting other militaries, but every time it's had to face against anonymous combatants, it's lost. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, Vietnam, Somalia. And in none of those cases did they have to worry about disloyalty among the troops like they would here.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

More difficult to control I believe but that’s not the same a winning a political struggle for human liberation, which at least for me, is the real goal.

Those other conflicts were lost mainly because it wasn’t the top priority of the US military to win a war on the other side of the world, and militants were able to outlast and make it too costly for it to be worth it anymore. The calculus will be very different when you’re rolling out guillotines in their own neighborhoods. They will fight to the death. Why wouldn’t they?

People won’t like this but elites often capitulate because a movement is able to construct a scenario where that’s what’s in their best interest. That means, yes, we should threaten to make things bad for them if they don’t capitulate. But it also means we need to offer some reconciliation if they do back down. If you’re fighting a war of annihilation then that’s a tough signal to send.