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TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name

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[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It's all fun and games until they literally atomize your entire body, assemble totally different atoms in a totally different place so they take on your former shape and call that "beaming."

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I really appreciate the direction Enterprise took with this. The whole crew was just terrified to use the damn thing. To be fair, it was new and relatively unproven technology, but the same central "just let the computer atomize you what could go wrong" flaw holds.

$0.02: It was great foreshadowing from episode 1 that they're gonna need it to get out of jam, and it's not guaranteed to even work. But the writers undid all that by letting the crew overcome technological and scientific inferiority way too fast. They could have made something far more compelling by having a crew that could make a go of it with zero conveniences. The show run could have ended with giving way to the next generation of explorers, who now have far more advanced tech than the NX-01 ever had; a much more compelling arc, IMO. It also robs T'pol of some of the gravity behind choosing to do something so reckless as to cruise the quadrant under such dangerous circumstances.

[–] svcg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The problem with Enterprise is that it was kind sold as Star Trek before the transporters, before the shields, before the replicators, etc., but what we got instead was:

  • ~~Transporters~~ Transporters, but only if we really need to.
  • ~~Raise the shields~~ Polarise the hull plating.
  • ~~Replicator~~ Protein resequencer.
  • ~~Tractor beam~~ Grappling hook.

They didn't actually write a story about what it was like without these things, just what it was like with slightly shittier versions of these things.

[–] phx@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

Enterprise doesn't get a lot of love, but I really enjoyed it and was sad when it got cut short.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Agree, that was well thought out. Also I loved how Toshi got a jarring feeling when the ship went into warp and it gave her the heebie jeebies. It totally made sense that some people would be aware of that, especially somebody whose "different" brain workings enabled her to parse meaning out of unfamiliar languages.

I thought they should have also made the Vulcan mind meld mysterious and weird at first - it's been so long I don't remember how they handled that, but in my own ideas for a retro series before Enterprise came out I thought the Vulcans would sort of keep the mind meld private and personal. The first time it would be used in an episode - reluctantly, in an emergency - it would really spook the crew. They would wonder, "Can they read our minds? Are they controlling us?" It would create a lot of tension and the Vulcans would have to rebuild trust.

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Better than traffic

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It was never expressed this way, but what if it turns out they physically transport your actual atoms through subspace, kind of like a particle beam, so they're your atoms and it's the very same you?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If it's the very same you, how was Thomas Riker created?

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago

Some unknown phenomenon that split the beam into two identical beams.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I thought the "beam" was the atoms in transit.