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The car bombing outside a California fertility clinic that killed one person and injured four others appears to have been driven by anti-natalist ideology, according to two senior law enforcement officials briefed on the incident.

The suspect, identified by authorities as Guy Edward Bartkus, is believed to have carried out Saturday's explosion, which resulted in his own death. 

Investigators are focusing on social media posts made by the suspect, including a 30-minute audio recording, which they say support anti-natalist views. While the posts and the recording are still being verified, officials believe they reflect the ideology behind the bombing. Anti-natalism refers to the belief that no one should have children.

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[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Anti natalist... I doubt they'd have to do something so overt to reduce humanities birth rate. This has false flag written all over it. And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the religious right that's anti fertility clinic?

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

And correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the religious right that's anti fertility clinic?

No they're anti-abortion and anti-birth management, not anti-fertility. Religious nuts are hypocrites and what part of the Bible talks about IVF? Prolly none.

It might genuinely just be a bitter angry person. I don't even like to call it an ideology, they just complain they had no choice in whether they were brought to this world, ans and since the world sucks, they pretend like if somehow they could've chosen, they would've chosen not to even live, which makes no sense, as then they'd never have been a person with the capacity to think that. It's paradoxical, is my point.

I wouldn't be surprised that just general whackos like that do exist, but yeah, you're right, it wouldn't be out of line to false flag it to create even further infighting in the states.

To be honest it's probably not even much of a challenge for some Russian disinfo agents to convince someone to firebomb shit like that. When people are denied healthcare and housing and the streets are flooded with opioids and guns, it doesn't take much to find a person easy to manipulate.

So it might be both "real" and also politically puppeteered. That would make the most sense, honestly, but we need to remember that these sort of ultraviolent psychopaths aren't really... thinking straight.

We'd like to make it make sense, but acts of violence rarely do.

[–] astutemural@midwest.social 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

No, they're anti-IVF too. It stems from the fact that many embryos are fertilized but only a few are implanted. The rest are discarded. To the christofacists, this means they're 'killing children'.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Oh right yeah if you combine anti-abortion views like that with anti-science, yeah, I can definitely your point, yeah.

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not arguing your points. It just seems like the only group cutting funding and research for IVF is the conservative wing. Also, many religions nut jobs see women who need IVF as imperfect vessels, and men that need IVF as not men.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Well there's religious nuts who oppose damn near everything, so I'm not surprised.

I'm just pointing out that they're not traditionally against fertility treatments, although as some are anti-science (which is traditional for religious people), they are also coincidentally anti-IVF etc.

But like, their main point isn't being against increasing fertility, it's being against "unnatural science" or smth.