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This seems to be a black and white issue for many, always Yes or always No.

As with most thigns I feel the truth is somewhere in the middle.

It's a spectrum

IMO

A biological man who never underwent puberty and never got the benefits of higher testosterone etc. should be allowed in women's sports.

But, someone like Usain Bolt, who because of undergoing male puberty has bigger bones than he would have had if he didn't, should never be allowed to compete in women's sports.

Where we draw the line, I don't know, but I don't think it's black or white.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No. Goddamn why do you people seem to think discrimination against entire demographics of people is justified with the weak excuse of "sports need to be FAIR". I'm sorry but even if you limit to only cis people some competitors have genetic advantages others don't. Inclusion of anyone who wants to compete is way more important. If you actually cared about fairness, and not discrimination, you'd want sports to limit who can compete against who by physical ability, not gender.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Sport has always had devisions and you need to draw lines who is and isn't allowed in a devision.

Example: Under 21 years old Undee 80kg Handicapped Ober 40 years old Women's Etc.

You can't just let anyone compete in any devision else you don't have devisions, and you need to draw lines where those devisions begin and end.

All I'm saying is IMO when it comes to the Women's devision, it's shouldn't be black and white.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"you need to draw lines who is and who isn't allowed in a division" No you don't. You really really don't. "competitive fairness" is not a justification for discrimination of minority demographics. You CAN, in fact, just let anyone compete. It's not that big of a deal, and the inclusion is a lot more important than transphobic fearmongering.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

What is the point of devisions if anyone is allowed to compete in them?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

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