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Surely this means we just aren't voting hard enough
90 million people didn’t vote at all. Trump won with 77 million votes. 13 million more people did nothing, than all of the people that voted for Trump.
So, not any different from any other presidential election in the USA?
There were 3 million fewer voters than in 2020. This was the most advertised election in US history, and more people sat out.
"Didn't vote" always beats out the votes for either candidate, though. A small downward shift in the numbers is probably the fault of Democrats dividing their own base by endorsing genocide.
I think in biden's first election the "didn't vote" category was beaten.
You could very well be right. My memory is like a sieve sometimes. XD
Yup. According to polls, the number one reason people abstained or voted third-party was Biden/Harris handling of Gaza. It’s either an ignorant or arrogant choice, depending on their awareness of Trump’s sociopathy and unwavering support of Netanyahu.
It wasn’t a small downward shift though. It was greater than the amount Harris lost by, if you count the increase in third-party votes.
I agree. Whether it was ignorance or arrogance, the Democrats are entirely responsible for driving so many people away from the polls and squandering what could otherwise have been a shoe-in for Harris.
Only an American could describe opposition to genocide as "ignorant or arrogant"
There was no opposition to genocide. That would be the ignorant justification.
The choice was between genocide, and genocide with fascism. Knowing that, and choosing to do nothing so you feel better, is arrogant.
Like hell there wasn't. Don't project your own lack of morality onto everyone else.
Yeah, nothing fascist about exterminating an entire race in order to expand an authoritarian ethnostate...
There are two parties that can with a US presidential election. The choices were bad or worse for Palestinians. Voting for anyone other than bad, is permitting worse to take office.
Welcome to first past the post. It’s a civic duty, not a representation of who you are. Is it fair? Fuck no. That’s how it works for now, and the West Bank will be a billionaire resort thanks to people’s “higher morals.” Way to go. Hope they sleep better at night. The Palestinians sure won’t.
Trump has been no worse than Democrats on Palestine, and the fact that libs think he has, shows that they'll only be honest about the situation when Republicans are in charge.
It's disgusting of you to act like you care about Palestinians.
Are you completely outside of your mind? Trump is shipping massive bulldozers to level the West Bank and turn it into a billionaire resort, with no intention of returning the Palestinians to their land once it’s done.
Ask yourself this, between Harris and Trump, which one is more likely to withhold munitions and military aid from Israel? Remember, this isn’t “ideal land.” Those are your only two choices.
Democrats were already providing Israel everything it needed to level West Bank. You only say otherwise because you're a genocide denier when it's your team doing it.
Harris and Trump were both equally unlikely to withhold military aid and munitions from Israel. The fact you think otherwise it's because you're a genocide denier when it's your team doing it.
Cool. So you’re in agreement that there was no way to stop the genocide.
Then why not vote against the fascist dictator? Oh, because you have superior morals when it comes to the Palestinians, but not the Hispanics and trans people in the US. Got it.
So you're not even pretending to be honest.
And yeah, nothing fascist about exterminating an entire country to expand an authoritarian ethnostate
You are again drawing a false comparison, yet I’m the dishonest one? You’re either willfully ignorant, or delusional.
So you’re fine with people being throw into vans and flown into El Salvadoran gulags? Trans people not being allowed to identify as their gender identity? Married women being able to vote? People being allowed to protest Israel?
All of that is fine with you, because you didn’t have to fill in a bubble on a piece of paper that would have resulted in a similar outcome for Palestinians?
Get over yourself and grow up. This is real life.
Oh sorry, I thought you said we agreed. I guess you are also "willfully ignorant or delusional"
So you're fine with genocide?
Another the thing that wasn't allowed under Democrats either.
Genocide is fine with you
Two posts ago you were claiming that the outcome wasn't similar and that I was delusional, but now that you've realised that lie isn't going to fly, you've effortlessly shifted from the motte to the baily. When we can see you being willfully dishonest like this, why should we listen to you?
Baby.
False. I said the choices were genocide, or genocide and fascism. That’s where our debate began.
Good luck in life telling everyone how superior you are while distorting the world around you to fit your narrative. I’m done with your nonsense.
I know you have no issues with lying, but you should at least not lie about easily verified facts
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
Right here, genius. https://lemmy.world/comment/16593887
Smug quotes are a perfect addition to your moral superiority. I’ll try to remember it when I’m protesting with JVP, while innocent migrants are sent to torture prisons for life without due process and the Palestinians are eradicated, all because you’re above doing anything to stop it.
I thought you said you were done?
Also, you were the one who was above doing anything to stop Palestinians being eradicated.
All of your random pontificating about other people's moral superiority really seems like you fighting a guilty conscious.