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The struggle for water access in this strip of fertile land reflects a wider contest for control of the West Bank — and in particular the Jordan Valley, which Palestinians consider the breadbasket of their hoped-for future state and Israelis view as key to protecting their eastern border.

“People are thirsty, the crops are thirsty,” said Hazeh Daraghmeh, a 63-year-old Palestinian date farmer in the Jiftlik area of the valley, where some of his palms have withered in the bone-dry dirt. “They’re trying to squeeze us step by step,” Daraghmeh said.

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[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For those who don't want to read a whole article:

The Oslo Accords were a cycle of negotiations and agreements. With every round, it looked like they were getting closer to an agreement.

In the end the Palestinian leader, Yasser Arafat killed the negotiation at camp David. He would not budge on several issues, but key among them was "right of return".

Essentially "right of return" would instantly give full citizenship and voting rights to a vast amount of fantastic anti-Jewish Arabs, who would very shortly thereafter have been able to vote Israel out of existence by turning it from a democracy into a Muslim theocracy. And like all other Muslim theocracies, they would have been terrible if not genocidal to their Jewish citizens.

Arafat not only quit the peace process, he declared a "second antifada" ... meaning a new call for the most foul terrorism: blowing up school buses, ambulances, targeting Jewish children for death, etc.

A bit later when Arafat died, we found out WHY he killed the peace process: while his people were impoverished and suffering, Arafat himself was hoarding nearly A BILLION DOLLARS in what was supposed to be humanitarian aid money for this people.

Arafat stopped the piece process because war was allowing him to retain power, and grow his obscene wealth.

[–] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] american_defector@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s wild to me how anti-Palestine the other comments are. Like somehow Palestinians are the terrorists in this scenario when Israel is the one with US backing.

Had an old now-former friend try to show me videos of Palestinian kids throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers, while attempting to demonize them. I responded with like 5 videos of Israeli soldiers being needlessly cruel to both kids and adults. The conversation ended right then and there.

The propaganda runs deep. Fuck the colonial mindset.

[–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

The Israeli Security Minister literally has multiple hate speech convictions and a terrorism conviction and notoriously had a Framed photo of a Jew nationalist mass murderer in his living room. He also lives in an illegal settlement.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Palestinians are the terrorists because they literally are the terrorists.

As in, they deliberately target civilians, often specifically CHILDREN for death.

Is there misconduct in the Israeli army? Absolutely. But that is WORLDS apart from adopting a government POLICY of targeting children.

I think Israel has shown extraordinary restraint given that the Palestinians have been actively trying to murder their children for DECADES, including electing a government that had the GENOCIDE of Jews as part of their written charter.

[–] american_defector@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don’t agree with any of the religious drivers in the scenario, and I definitely don’t agree with targeting children at all, but this is also retaliation for having their land and homes stolen and decimated for decades. You can’t paint an animal into a corner and not expect it to bite you. We’re talking about an army backed by the country with the biggest military budget in the world, vs people that don’t even have a roof over their heads or crops because the aforementioned army has forcefully taken them away. The only outcome of that kind of scenario is going to be desperation and violence.

So if they’re considered the only terrorists in this scenario, they were forced into that role. These 2 sides could simply share the land like sane people, but religion has yet again become the wedge.

[–] flossdaily@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Think of it this way:

It's indisputably evil what the United States did in stealing land and commiting genocide against the Native Americans. (I'd argue that Israel's founding was far more just, but let's say for a moment that it was equally horrific).

So, if today, Native Americans were launching thousands of rockets from their reservations, targeting civilians, targeting kids, and saying they won't stop until we give them California, New York, New England, half of Washington DC, AND adopt a political reform that will inevitably lead to dissolving democracy and replacing it with a theocracy...

What the hell would you say the solution to that is?

At what point would you say to the Native Americans, "what happened to you was a tragedy, but the reality is we're so far down this road it will never be undone. We need to find a way to move forward with that shared reality"?

Because that's the situation in Israel.

The Palestinians are demanding (with no leverage) that Israel adopt a peace deal that would destroy Israel's form of government and their ability to defend themselves from hostile nations (which they are surrounded by).

Israel will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever do that. They can't. It would be governmental malpractice to do it.

So what, they are just supposed to let the Palestinians launch thousands of rockets at them ... out of guilt?

There's only ONE way this ends: Palestinians admit that they lost. It might not be fair. It might not be justice. But it is REALITY.

And then they need to take the best peace deal Israel is willing to offer.

... this is the reality they walked away from 20+ years ago.

That's an entire generation of Palestinian children growing up in an incredibly shitty situation.

Meanwhile, Israel said "fuck this", built an iron dome defense system, built a border fence, and have economically thrived.

They can literally keep going like this indefinitely. And as time goes on they only get more and more bitter at the Palestinian terrorism. So they keep leaning harder and harder on hardliner politicians, who say "well, if Palestinians are going to be our enemies no matter what, why shouldn't we just take and take and take?

[–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You do know that the native Americans absolutely fought the United States every step of the way right. They used to scalp captured americans, hang them from trees burn down their towns. You'd also know after they were forced to surrender due to the colonizers overwhelming power, and signed treaties, the colonizer constantly broke the treaties, and slowly but surely took every scrap of their native lands. Then thet forcibly moved them to some of the most desolate lands in the US and stole their children to civilize them from their barbarian ways. And today, the once thriving native tribes are forced to live on reservations that have some of the most extreme poverty in the United States.