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I visit .ml and while I do occasionally get cross threaded with them they are, overall, not terrible. Yes some of the people associated with their instance can be over the top but by and large they are just people with a different viewpoint.
I tried to do the same with hexbear but ultimately couldn't, which may be my problem more than theirs.
Not necessarily, they resemble the way conservatives comments way too much, I avoid it as much as possible. They use the same things right wingers use to prove a point
You should worry more about the content of what people say, not the form.
Checkout [email protected]
It's not just people with different viewpoints, the admins are actively pushing an authoritarian agenda and censor any dissent against those views. And I have a bunch documented on that comm of the shenanigans they get up to. .ml is more subtle about things than the rest of the Tankie Triad (Hex and Grad) to avoid larger calls of defederation, but they absolutely share the same Authoritarian "ideology"
That's why they sound like conservatives
I'm fairly left on the political spectrum, probably further than most, but hexbear and a lot of .ml are left to the max, as in they're tankies. I can't stand right-wingers much, but tankies are worse by a large margin.
Shit, they attempted to harass and dox me when I offered an opinion that didn't agree with their very rigid worldview. I kept poking at their stubbornness then they banned me. I'm a stubborn SOAB myself.
Now I'm questioning if I should continue to use this platform. I've definitely started using it less since then, knowing that this platform is run by tankies.
being a neoliberal has nothing to do with being leftist.
I agree, I'm not a neo-lib, I'm a demsoc.
I genuinely don't get why y'all use this as an insult. Liberal has been bastardized from its original roots of pretty much modern day libertarianism, which is a deeply unserious party. Not even corrupt neolibs compare to that.
Here's where you might get me, I don't see us transitioning into a socialist system without excessive violence, unless we use capitalism to get us there. I don't want violence that's undue, I don't want the death of innocents, and I don't want authoritarianism from a single fallible person. Corruption is always the ruining factor of any ideology.
I fail to see how those views qualify me as a liberal, not even a neolib.
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No dawg, you're thinking of socdems. Which are still better than tankies.
if you think capitalism is better than leftism, you are not a leftist.
You must hate all countries then because they all use aspects of capitalism to further their gains. I agree though the goal is to ween off of capitalism into proletariat owned socialism. Unfortunately for tankies I won't be used as a tool for their wanton violence against those that disagree. My demsoc flavor emphasizes humanism over hatred.
i do hate the burgeoise plotting for the literal destruction of the planet so they can maintain their obscene power, yes. i don't know how you define "aspects of capitalism".
no use empathizing with so and so intangible concept, though. i care about actual success in improving workers' lives and smashing imperialism, and the MLs historically excel at that. honourable mention to anarchists too.
Aspects of capitalism: private businesses, private homeownership, private agriculture, classism, investments into foreign countries, foreign investment into said country, etc
As long as you're not a tankie or authoritarian I don't really have a problem with many of the particulars. Just know lots of MLs are tankies.
i know where tankie comes from, but its just used to further divide the left tbh.
the difference between the "good" MLs and the "bad" ones is completely unclear. sometimes people say "tankie" to just mean "leftist"
investing in other countries is not necessarily capitalism, and while transitioning away from it you are bound to still have private property for a while. demsocs especially, no?
communism -ie a propertyless, classless society- has never been achieved.
No it's not, Tankies are very clearly defined to be "Authoritarians"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
And it's demonstrated by
Perpetuating Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" https://lemmy.world/post/27012640 and their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415 and even defending concentration camps as "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
I've got Tankies supporting Trump because he's doing what they want: https://lemmy.world/post/28033872 and basically stating with Trump it's an ends justify the means kinda thing: https://lemmy.world/post/27950020 censoring comments that just say you shouldn't romanticize Stalin and the USSR: https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
And much much more on [email protected]
Nah, tankie is pretty synonymous with authoritarian communism, which is no bueno in my book.
Capitalism can not be defeated without exercising some level of authority. It's a class war.
You plan to serve in the new empire's army? Becoming a stormtrooper?
Do you plan on defeating capitalism by asking nicely?
The revolution won't be polite, civil, or peaceful. Our enemies won't just let us win.
Read more history, watch fewer movies about wizards in space.
people willingly serve the empire's army. they commit some pretty bad atrocities. they are doing it today. now.
getting rid of imperialism though? i'm scared shitless of fighting any fight at all, and its probably everyone's last resort.
but sometimes people have no choice and most are taking it out on underserving peers, sadly. it could be directed in a way that helps us move forward as a society.
you mean marxist-leninist socialism in general, then? yeah, revolution is authoritarian in itself. we leverage our newfound authority, to overthrow the burgeoise authority. we make mistakes in the way, but it generally works much much better. we aim for power to be distributed gradually as we transition to socialism then further into communism.
"tankie" is usually a scare word. you will rarely find any leftists that agree with things not going well. they certainly make it look like most leftists are evul "authoritarians" though.
i see nothing particularly wrong with ML socialism, and many real actual successful applications in real life. they rivaled and rival the current status quo, and could do more if the capitalist world weren't so hostile to it.
You're apparently fine with non-communist authoritarianism then, given that capitalism requires the authoritarian enclosure of the Earth's common and the forcible restriction of human movement into centrally controlled "nation states".
I've had the same experience. Hexbear won't accept any nuance when it comes to Palestine or homeless people.