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Kentucky Unions Stand Up to Halt Deportation of Two Hundred Workers (labornotes.org)

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Two hundred union workers, out of 5,700 who assemble dishwashers, refrigerators, washers, and dryers for GE Appliances-Haier at Appliance Park in Louisville, Kentucky, received notice this month that the Trump administration is revoking their work authorizations.

The immigrant workers from Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, and Venezuela have received a mixed reaction to their imminent deportation—hostility from some co-workers and an outpouring of support from their union and the local labor movement. They’re part of the Communications Workers’ industrial division, IUE-CWA Local 83761.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Okay, I wanted to drop this because bucket seemed to be spinning out pretty hard after getting his world view repeatedly fact checked and proven repeatedly wrong, but I'm a big fan of treating others the way they want to treat others and this sort of conspiracy theory nonsense is 100% some "bullshit that needs to be thrown back in their faces"

So are you going to engage at all with the material of the conversation or are you just going to spread conspiracy theories because the worldview being expressed isn't your own?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I actually really like engaging with the material of the conversation. Here's what makes that hard:

I’m not saying the system is fixed. In particular that cop who broke the neck of an elderly Japanese man and then had his charges overridden...

it’s a continuation of, and supported by, the same police you are claiming are “fixed”

Please stop insinuating people like George Floyd are rabid dogs that need to be put down.

Yes, I am saying that police militarization has resulted in a populace that is unable/unwilling to revolt in even the slightest of ways

I’m not “insisting that nothing anyone can do could possibly help and the no one has ever done anything meaningful to resist”

You strawmanned what I was saying into comical evil and into the literal exact opposite of what I said. You also keep switching back and forth between "everyone is too scared to resist" and "yes they're resisting but it's not accomplishing anything" and then pretending to fail to comprehend the difference between those two things even when it's directly called out. That's why I suspected you of being an LLM, is that that surface believability of language but lack of any underlying model that the language is encoding is a hallmark of them.

At that point, whatever you are, it's time to put the brakes on and call you out for it, instead of just pretending we're both still playing the "good faith debate" game. That's not "spinning out", that's calling out your horseshit for what it is. If you want to go back to the reasoned-engagement game, just back off from doing that and we can talk. I actually like talking and you made some points I do want to respond to. But, in the current format, it would be a waste of time.

We're actually talking about this exact issue right at this moment, and how once your opponent starts breaking the rules it is a mug's game to keep playing by the same conversational principles that they're pooping all over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My thesis is "the general population is too scared for effective resistance" nothing I have said is contradictory to that.

You keep moving the goalpost and going on tangents. Would you like to directly answer any the claims I've posted?

Find any stats on police killings that support your views?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sounds good. You ignored the other two examples I brought up (because, what could you say)?

Also I would give you benefit of the doubt that when you said:

Yes, I am saying that police militarization has resulted in a populace that is unable/unwilling to revolt in even the slightest of ways since the uncomfortable truth that all Americans live under is that even something as minor, routine and unintentional as speeding can be reason for death. Much less any meaningful/intentional disobedience.

Was BLM meaningful? Was it intentional? Was it "even in the slightest of ways"? What about the LA riots? Baltimore?

What about the other two examples of bad faith I brought up, though? Address them, please. Again it is impossible to have a factual conversation with someone who is going to twist my words into the exact opposite of what I said. That's why I am pausing the rest of the conversation to call our your bad faith, and you're still just pretending I didn't say anything or somehow I am the asshole for quoting your earlier words and my earlier words and lining them up next to each other. I actually talked a little bit about the underlying subject matter in this comment and then deleted it.

Again, your conduct in this conversation makes it impossible to have a factual conversation until you change doing the word-twisting thing. If you just retract it and agree not to do that in the future, then sure, we can rock and roll and I can send some citations and we can go back to talking about the subject matter.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Stats. Facts. Stop gish galloping and ad homenen-ing.

You can pick another of the arguments I made if you'd preferable.