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Kentucky Unions Stand Up to Halt Deportation of Two Hundred Workers (labornotes.org)

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Two hundred union workers, out of 5,700 who assemble dishwashers, refrigerators, washers, and dryers for GE Appliances-Haier at Appliance Park in Louisville, Kentucky, received notice this month that the Trump administration is revoking their work authorizations.

The immigrant workers from Cuba, Nicaragua, Haiti, and Venezuela have received a mixed reaction to their imminent deportation—hostility from some co-workers and an outpouring of support from their union and the local labor movement. They’re part of the Communications Workers’ industrial division, IUE-CWA Local 83761.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Some localities did, but largely no. I’m assuming you’re referencing the George Floyd bill, go look at what it actually says.

Very little that happens at the level of a federal bill will impact policing on a local level. I assume the impact of the George Floyd bill will be effectively 0 beyond several congresspeople being able to pat themselves on the back.

Police killings in the US have been rapidly increasing since 2020 your anecdotes and what the media chooses to report are not going to be good/accurate reflections of reality.

I actually don't think that's accurate. The FBI's numbers are only reflective of what people tell them, since there's more or less no unified database of police killings nationwide, which is pretty fucked up. I think the uptick after a long time of it being perfectly stationary is because of better tracking under Biden's executive branch reforms, not because they're actually killing more people.
We need to talk about unjustified killings. The police shoot a whole bunch of people every year for whom the shooting is justified. It used to be that in addition to that was a way-too-high percentage of those were unjustified killings of unarmed people.

How many of the people in that graph do you think were unjustified shootings? Just to get a sense of what you think is going on. I actually don't know of any quantitative tracking of unjustified police killings, which is a massive lack if we're going to have a fact-based conversation about it.

The US justice system was never democratic

I periodically have this conversation with people who have no idea what they're talking about.

You can make a municipality with any type of police you want. Any type of prison system you want, or none at all. The city council can make no police at all. There are actually a tiny little handful of case studies of individual places where for some reason it happened: Those libertarians in New Hampshire, the whole cult community talked about in "Wild Wild Country," what the Freak Party had in mind in Aspen back when that was going on, and a handful of others.

The fact that you personally don't have any impact on the police in your community doesn't at all mean that it's not democratic. It's just that US culture is pretty conservative, so what the city council (or whatever) authorizes for the police force is reflective of that. But if you and your friends got elected to mayor and city council, you could disband the police completely if you wanted to. You could literally do whatever you wanted.

ICE is something different. I have no idea how you think that Trump enacting a for real no-trial no-warrant neo-Gestapo is somehow in any type of same ballpark as the mayor and chief of police not caring if Officer Brother-In-Law shot someone and then said he was in fear for his life. They're not comparable.

The real issue is that you keep contradicting yourself so which is it:

A. the 2020 protests reformed the police and we’re all safe now.

Pretty sure I explicitly said the exact opposite of that. My wording was, "I’m not saying the system is fixed. In particular that cop who broke the neck of an elderly Japanese man and then had his charges overridden by someone at the state level when the system attempted to charge him with a crime. That’s the one big example I can think of recently."

B. We’re entering an era where the already abysmal human rights abuses are about to become far worse.

The fact that things are about to get a whole lot worse from one agency, is not contradictory to what some totally other group of agencies is doing. The two have literally nothing to do with each other (aside from both being rooted in the US populace being pretty conservative and also not watching the news and having no idea what's going on). There's no contradiction any more than there is "I thought you said the hole in the boat is partially fixed and so how can there be a fire in the engine room." They are different agencies. Different things.

I feel like you're just saying weird stuff to try to wind me up or something.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I actually don't think that's accurate.

Here's another source you're turn, shop around a bit see if you can find anyone who publishes a number that agrees with you. Nobody agrees with your speculation.

We need to talk about unjustified killings.

This is a uniquely American problem. Either 'Americans are just soooo unbelievably violent and deadly that they must be put down like the rabid dogs they are' or something else is going on. Please stop insinuating people like George Floyd are rabid dogs that need to be put down.

You could literally do whatever you wanted.

It's a nice idea, but not how any of that works because we don't live in anything like a true confederation.

no-trial no-warrant neo-Gestapo

98% of criminal cases in the US already don't get a trial. If we're going to talk about the George Floyd protests we should talk about Breanna Taylor and the fraudulent warrant that led to her death.

ICE is something different.

And worse. I agree, but it's a continuation of, and supported by, the same police you are claiming are "fixed". ICE cannot operate effectively without direct LEO support.