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The Chinese platforms are taking advantage of a little-known trade rule called de minimis, which allows products worth less than $800 (€764) in the United States or €150 ($157) in the EU to be shipped duty-free with minimal customs checks.

"All these products arrive from China as individual parcels, so it's impossible for customs authorities to open and check them all," Agustin Reyna, director general of the European Consumer Organisation (BEUC), told DW.

The rise of Temu and Shein has Western regulators concerned on many fronts. First, the Chinese platforms are exploiting a loophole that was not designed for large-scale e-commerce. De minimis was created so as not to burden customs agencies with the handling of small gifts and personal items sent across borders.

Second, many of the products for sale on Chinese platforms don't meet safety or environmental standards. Toy Industries of Europe (TIE), a Brussels-based industry body, tested 19 toys bought from Temu at the end of 2023 and found that none were fully compliant with EU safety rules on toys. All but one was found to pose a real risk to children.

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Brussels also wants to make the likes of Temu and Shein — rather than individual sellers — liable for the sale of dangerous products on their platforms and has suggested that checks could be made before products are shipped from China to ensure compliance.

Christoph Busch says this is necessary because "from a contract law perspective, Temu is currently not the seller, it's just an intermediary."

"The seller sits somewhere in China, and the buyer is a consumer in the US or EU," the director of the European Legal Studies Institute at Germany's University of Osnabrück, told DW.

Busch also said the Commission wants the platform operator to become the importer, so they would be obliged to pay the customs duty, which would also cut much of the new red tape facing European customs authorities.

Instead of dealing with tens of thousands of individual Chinese sellers, he added, EU customs bodies would need to liaise with just a handful of e-commerce platforms that are frankly making billions from a loophole that should never have existed.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

But the same shit is often sold on European (like Polish Allegro) and American (Amazon) platforms. Why is this a problem only when then Chinese do it? The problem is broader, but is often shown us 'do not buy from Temu or Aliexpress – they are dangerous' while ignoring the same practices on the Western platforms.

The Western resellers most probably buy in bulk, so 'de minimis' rule does not fully explain why the dangerous product are on the market here.

I am all for making the platforms responsible, but why not start here, where enforcing this should be much easier? Or maybe it is not about safety and other regulations, but more about taking down competition?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

I think the problem is more with the concept that these companies are "platforms" instead of shops. So the sellers on them are individual businesses. Both the marketplace a d the seller should be held liable.

It's similar to uber or Deliveroo. They pretend that the real business owner is the minimum wage slave that consents to their contracts.

It's all a sham and the fact that all these companies can skirt employment, tax, import, safety standards etc is a complete joke and an abdication of responsibility by the authorities that should be protecting people.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Why is this a problem only when then Chinese do it?

No one says it's only a problem only if the Chinese do it. There's much evidence, however, that products that are unsafe and often posing a threat to health are those on Chinese platforms.

There is also a strong need for supply chain transparency as Chinese products are often manufactured under slavery-like conditions (for which there is also much evidence).

[Edit typo.]