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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's kinda written right there into the 14th ammendment. You'd have to agree that they are not subject to our laws, which would be a pretty hard sell even to this supreme court.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This supreme court has shown repeatedly that they don’t care what the Constitution says, no matter how clear or obvious. Their “interpretive” power is so broad that they can, have, and will casually override it whenever they feel like it.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They've always used some kind of ambiguity in wording to hide behind. There is none in regards to this. It is directly spelled out.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

They're basically like an evil genie. They'll find SOME way to twist the words to mean whatever they want no matter how clear they appear to be.

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think they might actually buy the argument around jurisdiction, which is... scary.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If they aren't under our jurisdiction, we can't arrest them for murder

[–] kn33@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No, you see, the argument will go that as long as they're here illegally and free, they're "unsuccessfully under jurisdiction" and once they're arrested, they're "under jurisdiction" and therefore the child isn't a US citizen but "obviously while they're here they'll be punished for their crimes" once they're "successfully under jurisdiction"

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.

[–] growsomethinggood@reddthat.com 11 points 1 year ago

SCOTUS seemed to not like a lot of Biden's EOs though, I wonder why that could be...

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

14A S3 didn't count, why should 14A S1?

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This one is plain language, and very explicit about who is a citizen. There was at least wiggle room to argue semantics about 14A S3, even though everybody knew what was intended by it. It is clear, concise, and very to the point.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.