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Do people think the Nazis invented their salute? They took it from the Romans. To say it was actually a Roman salute is to also say it was a Nazi salute because they are basically one and the same.
They didn't, the association with Rome comes from this painting. The author didn't have anything to believe it was historically correct.
It is correct though that Italian fascists had a hard on on everything that was classical Rome-adjacent and they picked the salute from a French painting like a bunch of noobs.
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All the more reasons to donate, imo. Based af.
Are we donating? I used to donate; but I read somewhere that they actually have more money than they know what to do with... I would donate if this claim were plausibly denied.
I don't see the issue with donating more money than they can use. Their contribution to society is immeasurable and the more Wikipedia the better as far as I'm concerned! :D
I haven't heard anyone say they're drowning in money, but it you have links I'd love to read them.
Interesting, so instead of them stealing the actual Roman salute, they stole what they thought the Roman salute was. Sure the Italian fascists used it too, but the Nazis compared what they wanted, a 1000 year Reich, to what Rome had created when they had a massive empire that lasted 500 years for the western empire and almost 1500 for the Eastern years if they include the West and almost 1000 by itself. So they didnt just take it from the Italian Fascists just cause, they did it because they thought it was Roman as well, and associated it with their desire to replicate the Romans.
Thanks for the info!
Edited the years for the Roman empire after being called out for being wrong.
So the nazi salute is the equivalent to the naruto run of their time.
Ackshually it's only 2000 years in the east (up until 1453) if you count the kingdom and republic (which would make it 1000 years in the west, up to the traditional date of 476) assuming the traditional ab urbe condita date of 753 BC.
I said almost 2000 years. It lasted from, officially, 476 BCE to 1453 CE, that's 1929 years. Which is almost 2000 years, like I said.
When it comes to the West, the empire officially was made in 27 BCE with the first Emperor. I don't think the republic really counted because all historical articles I can find say it lasted 503 years, not 1000. From 27 BCE to 476 CE.
Also, 753 BCE isn't the Roman empire. It was the founding of Rome itself, meaning the city.
I'm just saying it only lasted 2000 years if you could the republic, in which case it lasted 1000 years in the west (traditionally until Augustulus was deposed in 476) not 500 years. I realize this has nothing to do with the topic at hand and I'm just being a pedant.
Ah I misread a bit of what you said. Thanks for the clarification.
Edit: Fixed the dates in the original post
No worries, I didn't explain myself very well. If you're in the US, take care today.
There's sone subtle differences but fascism is modeled after the Roman Republic with intense nationalism thrown in. The salute the Romans did was the fascist salute.