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this topic really matters to u, hm? every second post or so of yours is about on this topic.
AI is evil; nothing but a marketing buzzword created by a delusional cult of oligarchs. It holds back a lot of the potential of machine learning while providing cover for the layoffs they already wanted and buying out computational power for the next decade. People frankly aren't angry enough.
wait why does it hold back machine learning? I feel that recent transcription models, genome approximators and classifiers are quite something and large-scale experiments on new problem spaces are green-lit much quicker than before. i personally feel that because the space is so big, there are many more attempts made to use ML systems using those same modern architectures to help in new domains or optimize existing ones.
I am very irritated by the focus on language models and image / video /audio predictors and feel that too many resources are being used exclusively for those. The overall impact is obviously trampling down any of the good stuff.
This is basically the issue, especially in regards to the monopolization of hardware by big LLM companies. It locks out smaller scale developers who might've been able to create and train more niche models. People waste time trying to create universal tools when more specialized efforts really are the most game changing.
well,
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yea…
i guess being angry at ai is easier than admitting to myself i've wasted 4 years of my life (and counting) studying for a job that won't exist by the time i'm out of uni…
and, it feels like recently ai just turned everything i cared about to shit. art, writing, programming, gaming, computers in general really
i should care about more things
No your anger is entirely justified. Just misplaced.
Your directing anger towards an inanimate thing. Ai doesn't care nor is it harming anything you listed.
Human shit stains using ai as a blunt instrument is harming everything you listed.
Being upset at AI is like being upset at guns for massshootings.
Put a gun in the ground and guess what it's going to do. Fuck all, it's going to sit there cause it's a piece of shit metal that can't do shit.
Direct your anger to the actual sub human shit stains ruining everything for the rest of us. It gives you an actual outlet, an actual real and tangible thing that you can rationalize.
You can DO something about people misusing a tool. You can't do shit about the tool.
Pandoras box can never be closed. We call all work together to prevent assholes from using what came out of it from making our lives worse tho.
What about being mad at gun manufacturers and merchants? Instead of fighting the guy with the gun, fight the guy supplying the guns to prevent future incidents. Fight the cause, not just the symptom.
Also, "it's a tool" is one of the most annoying pieces of pro-AI propaganda I keep seeing. Nobody who uses AI treats it like a tool; they treat it like an employee they can take the credit from. They only ever call it a tool when they want to defend it, as if a shitty tool is somehow absolved of its crimes by being a tool.
To be fair, the gun manufacturer IS the guy slinging it as well. They are in this instance the same person. Anthropic would be the manufacture, distributor and gunman for example.
The reality of the matter "its just a tool" is both literally just factual it IS the reality. It also makes a cheap and easy scape goat. But this is a problem not just ai but damn well near every major tool has had people use to sideline the harm caused by the disingenuous till the law and public understanding catches up. It's why snake oil salesmen works so well. Your not lying. Your just not telling the whole truth and misleading by virtue of ignorance and bad faith.
So yeah, i entirely agree. Its a fucking annoying ass frustrating piece of pro-ai bullshit from bad-faith actors when used that way. I fucking hate it.
The number of people who are actually treating LLMs as the tool they are and respecting their limitations, their problems and how shitty they can be. While being honest and upfront about them. Is small, far smaller then i wish it was.
But at the same time, those people trying to honest also keep getting doxed, getting hated on, being targeted and having violence directed at them from communities they arn't use to having to deal with that from. Which is ALSO something damn well near every major tools early adopters had to deal with. And like normal those early adopters turn inward and try to hide and insulate themselves from that misdriected hate.
Resulting in the only people being vocal are the fucktards with no standards or morals abusing the new thing for cheap profit and clout. While anyone with morals feels shame and tries to hide it to not upset others or disrupt them. Its a shitty cycle, its happened repeatedly though history, and theres basically nothing to be done about it so long as there are assholes willing to lie, cheat and fuck over others. AI is REALLY bad for it too cause of how low the bar is to become a snake oiler for it.
My point really just boils down to, hate the assholes and the abusers. Leave the guys trying to use it ethically and honestly alone how ever few of them there are, and don't blame a tool for a human problem.
No it's not. The only input you have with an AI is telling it to do something, which is less like a hammer and more like an employee. AI is not, in any way, a tool.
I'm not going to insult your intelligence by saying you don't already know this. I'm not going to insult your morality by saying you do already know this. I'm just going to leave.
Thats a tool... The carrying out of anothers design IS one of the definitions of a tool. Employees ARE tools. Its a horridly demeaning definition yes, but it IS one of the definitions. It's where the insultive form of the word comes from for heaven sake.
They are literally tools. Even if you go by the more generic definition of just something that is used to perform an operation or action. Its still a tool.
If you want to go by ONLY the very strictest definition and ignore all secondary ones. Then computers as a whole arn't tools full stop. Only an object that is directly used to multiply the force of a manual labor task is a tool or the cutting edge of said objects are tools.
So either its a tool, or we are being pedantic idiots picking and choosing cause our fee fees are hurt and we want to play stupid word games. There is no inbetween here. So pick your side. Are computers tools? Or are we playing stupid word games.
No, a tool is a thing someone uses to carry out their design by themself. An AI does it for you without any input after the initial instruction. They are not tools any more than an employee is.
You're either an idiot or a liar. I'll let you decide which, but as I said before, I am done with you. I'm sure, as someone who assumes and mocks someone else's feelings, you'll take this with grace and move on from a lost cause.
Nah, you're valid for this. Anger has purpose. You could resign yourself to the sad life of AI dominance, or you can get mad and set fire to a data center.
Yknow? This really begs the question about why more data centers aren't being burned down... 💅🔥
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i feel this so much :<
honestly i might even be fine with it, build my own ai-free bubble, and just keep doing the things i like the manual way, if my job which i am required to work to survive and which i previously enjoyed hadn't turned to shit because of ai and is threatened to stop existing entirely threatening my lifelyhood
honestly at that point i think i’m gonna work in something else and just code as a hobby. unless i can find a really cool job it’s the only way i feel like i can code without hating it
I feel the same... 6 years spent on 2 degrees to get into game development, and as soon as I graduate from the last one, the aftermath of COVID and then AI burn the industry and cause it to be nearly impossible to get into for the average junior and layoffs are increasing each year... Then people say we gotta just "deal with it and stop complaining" 🙄
I'm tired of it all
Uhhhh you could've asked anyone even 10 or 15 years ago and they would've told you not to study game dev under any circumstances. AI is making it worse, but there was already immense competition for underpaid and overworked jobs.
The job is going to keep existing, but companies really don't want to hire people right now, specially at entry level
i wholeheartedly agree with ya on this. my passion keeps getting messed with.
Oof again super grateful I chose healthcare. They're still trying to shove ai in but at least for now they know Claude can't wrangle a wildly verbally aggressive schizophrenic who's also had a stroke and is perpetually covered in piss out of the dayroom and into the shower for the fifth time today.
AI is a new excuse to not hire junior developers. The financial crisis was another excuse. The dot com bubble was another excuse. Junior developers are needed, but hiring authorities hate to employ them.
There is so much to hate about AI, but programming has not been about typing out code letter by letter for a long time, probably before you and I even started doing it. IDEs have had autocompletion and "generating" whole classes / methods / whatever structure for a couple of years now (although deterministically). Low code / no code has been growing in popularity before LLMs. Generative AI is out of pandoras box, there is no way it will vanish out of software development one day. But we're also not yet at a point where any sales asshole is able or even willing to create effective and resilient systems as we have seen a couple of times in the recent past. Maybe we will never get there.
Concepts and architecture matter more than code, they always have. Focus on the bigger picture and learn to use LLMs as a tool, in ways and situations / workflows where it unarguably works (even if you doubt it), but refuse to become a meat proxy that became unable to answer a slack message without AI. Tech is not the problem, it's a handful of people ruining it for everyone while getting stupid crazy rich by fucking up our planet and the people living on it. Don't let it take away your passion for computers, or else they have won.
I usually only see this obsession with... u know... peeps within the bubble.
but yea I get that its kinda a coping mechanism. it hit em similarly, maybe not as strongly and things do suck big time rn. Anyway I looked at wonderful paintings in a museum today. awesome stuff, really expressive and just - strong.
I have yet to see this "bubble" of anti-AI sentiment. Its impossible to be completely locked in a anti-AI feedback loop when the entire world around you is pushing it constantly.
Yes, people can get stuck surrounded by ideas and misconceptions in a way that creates a harmful feedback loop, for sure. Not once, however, have I heard an argument against the growing anti-AI movement that wasn't just meekly defending the slop machine with objectively invalid points.
None of us are immune to propaganda and misinformation, but most times I've seen activists (or progressives in general) be told to "get out of their bubble" or "see the other side", it's nothing more than a convenient way to wrongly paint those arguments as short-sighted or ill-informed.
ye I see what u mean, from both sides. theres things on both sides that the other side usually doesnt know of or actively ignores which... yea, thats polarization iguess.
I wish AI were so benign that "2 posts in a month" could be considered excessive, but it's not.
yea I know it really is excessive even in the news that generally dont cover this stuff.
it really is something where if ur just strongly against the whole agentic whatevers and stuff... its very hard to ignore. and ye that sucks big time.
Well, it is kinda all over the news, big corps are trying to push it everywhere and there are a lot of reasons to be angry about it and think it is unethical to use it
There's reason to be upset with corpo dipshits breaking the law, lying and selling snake oil.
Being upset at AI is just fucking stupid. With out these dipshit corpos the tech would be entirely mundane.
It's just the snake oil problem. The product isn't a problem it's the people hocking it.
Getting mad at the product is exactly what they want cause it means they can do anything and get away with it.
Cause you can't fucking punish something that isn't alive.
yeye its just that... everyone else posting so frequently about it is within the bubble.
Also happens outside the bubble, I sometimes post a lot about it because it's so infuriating, it affected multiple of my hobbies and my career in so many negative ways...
its quite a downhill time for individuals rn I think. but I believe art will remain being a thing peeps appreciate and sloppy things will quiet down cuz yea - peeps don't like em as much.
Art should be fine, but I fear that passion will no longer be the same in everything related to code. It's harder to convince people that code is also a way to express yourself, that it should not be touched by AI, so I fear that what I liked will never be the same
oooooh yes I can see that. that is sad, lots of shader ideas originate thru trying
Art is being hit quite hard to be honest... It'll still exist as a hobby, but as a career it's getting harder to get into as more and more companies are replacing it with AI.
Look at Nvidia constantly trying to improve their AI to make game-ready 3D assets. It's not totally there yet, but they're determined to do so... So not even 3D art is safe. And that just means in the future everyone's going to be paying same full price for games that visually and coding-wise has been made with AI. Same price, significantly less quality
I just pray they don't manage to get it 100% replacement, but I'm also not holding my breath anymore...
It does comfort me that there is a lot of backlash to AI art in games for now... I just hope it doesn't become normalised and more accepted over the years.
hwwwwww yes I also hope that the backlash keeps studios from switching to the stuff, that would suck big time. I love looking at a normal map and go "wow, someone made this AND the reflection map" and sit there in awe... sounds like im joking but I'm not.
so far the biggest backlash I've seen was with Professor Layton, but that may be my bubble speaking.
100% replacement would require a human-like understanding of "what's good", and thats muuuuch harder to optimize for than math and code so I'm bullish on the human creativity and ideas front for now buuuuut u unfortunately never know.
Texture/material creation is fun :3 I've got a few tileable procedural material projects I need to finish sometime when I have the time... But seeing it come together is always nice
And yeah, quite a few AAA games have been caught using AI art (multiple times) and had some large backlash too which is comforting