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[–] Technus@lemmy.zip 239 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (15 children)

All the messaging about fast charging speed is focused on the wrong thing. EV drivers should be able to do the vast majority of their charging at home or at their destination. The messaging should be about getting chargers in more homes, apartment complexes and workplaces. Speed doesn't matter as much if you're going to be parked for half the day or overnight. That's something that gas simply can't do.

Fast charging stations should only be necessary for road trips, where you should be taking a break every so often anyways.

[–] BurtReynolds@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

My EV's getting older now, but it'll still do 400+km if I charge it fully overnight. If we're doing a road trip it's time for a burger and to stretch ones legs when it's getting low anyways. Eat my food, get some rest and 20-30 minutes later I'm ready to go again.

I was sceptical before buying it, but I will never buy a gas car again. And I work in oil and gas

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 111 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (11 children)

The fact that so many people don't think about this or are unaware shows how well the propaganda worked.

Here is a car that is by far the easiest car you'll ever own, the power to run it is the cheapest you'll ever see, and 99% of your trips will be within one charge/tank meaning you'll never need to worry about range ever - but the propaganda convinced them all that that's a deal breaker.

As an EV owner the road trips we take are the vast minority of driving anymore. When we do there are options.

  • plan out your route and stops. Requires maybe 15 minutes of planning before your trip. You pick a place with food nearby, get out for 30 minutes, stretch, eat your meal, and you are good until the next meal.
  • if you are one of the 80% of households with 2 cars, take the other car for that roadtrip.
  • get a rental car for your trip. (Remembering that a couple hundred for a rental car is vastly cheaper than paying for gas for 10+ years)
[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 33 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

I can't help but feel if EVs were invented first, convincing people to adopt gas cars would be impossible.

  • "You mean I have to take it somewhere and stand outside every time I need energy?"
  • "Why do I have to put all these fluids in it? And why does it need all these filters, brake pads, and maintenance?"
  • "These things are so slow, why would you ever want to drive one?"
  • "What do you mean I can't turn on the climate control anytime I want? You mean I have to wait for this thing to heat up?!"
[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

"those fluid is VERY flammable, it's insane people wanted to sit above one"

"it stink when it's running."

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago

"leave it running in a closed garage and it will kill you in minutes with poison gas"

[–] ChaoticGoodHeart@sh.itjust.works 27 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The saddest part is that EVs were invented first, but it was easier to tanker fuel everywhere, rather than building out the electric grid in low-density areas.

[–] Asetru@feddit.org 26 points 12 hours ago

Tbf, battery tech was also shit back then.

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 19 points 16 hours ago

First, just to be pedantic, EVs did exist first. They go all the way back to the early 1800s. But battery technology didn't advance enough to make them a good option until recently, so your point remains.

I fully agree with you that the only thing keeping gasoline going is inertia. There have been parodies applying the same logic to other fields, like the gas-powered phone.

There's a reason why 80%+ of EV owners say they'll never go back, and a good chunk of the remainder are just waiting on the field to mature a bit.

[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

EVs still use brake pads. lol

Also electric cars, gas, and steam has a bit of a format war in the 1890’s-1920’s or so, and people really did make a lot of these points back then. Unreliable and sometimes unsafe chargers (basically due to people not understanding electrical engineering as well as we do now) were a big part of why gasoline won out

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

EV brake pads can last a lot longer on one pedal cars. Henry Ford's wife drove an EV, she hated his gasoline cars because they were loud, stunk, and could not be started by most women.

[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Chiming in from experience, our EVs brake pads were rusting faster than they were wearing down. We bought used, so maybe the previous climate was humid, but around 80k miles may have been their first change.

[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 10 points 16 hours ago

Ha, I never thought of it that way but yes, that tracks perfectly. The "inconveniences" of EVs aren't worse than gas cars, it's just that the gas car inconveniences are considered "normal" right now.

[–] statler_waldorf@sopuli.xyz 7 points 15 hours ago

I can vouch for this 100%. Have had an electric vehicle for 6 months now.

The vast majority of my charging has been done at home on 120v. Granted, my wife and I both work from home most of the week and have short commutes. Our grocery store has free 240v charging so I top up while I shop.

We took one long trip in those 6 months and rented cars for the drive to/from and used public transit while we were there.

I used a fast charger for the first time this weekend to drop off a kid at the grandparents a couple hours away on Friday and then picked them up in Sunday. Didn't have enough time between trips for the trickle charge to leave me in a comfortable range. 20 minute fast charge did the job for about $15.

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[–] kurcatovium@piefed.social 2 points 11 hours ago

Amen. The building I work at, where there's roughly about 100 people each day, including police department and local part of ministry's office has exactly ONE charging point built last year. One.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago

the vast majority of their charging at home or at their destination.

Absolutely true, which is also why I found it extremely annoying when reviewers began claiming that range wasn't as important as fast charging speeds in daily use. Luckily most have stopped that shit, probably realizing there's a reason most people want good range, and this is one of them. Also charging at home/destination cost way less than using a fast charger, and it's better for battery life too.

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 13 points 22 hours ago (8 children)

Yeah EVs seem almost non-viable if you live in an apartment complex right now, which is a shame. At least where I am

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 4 points 10 hours ago

I live in an apartment and can neither charge at home nor at work. I just charge when I go grocery shopping. It's absolutely viable.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 7 hours ago

When we made laws for handicap parking, there was handicap parking everywhere, overnight.

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[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Speed doesn’t matter as much if you’re going to be parked for half the day or overnight.

The apartment complex and workplace chargers I've seen all limit how long you're allowed to leave your car parked at them. I suppose speed doesn't matter in the sense that having to move your car 20 minutes later isn't much less annoying than having to move it 4 hours later. Still, I wouldn't want an EV without my own garage even if I never went on road trips. It seems like a pain.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Considering how inexpensive it is to put in a 30A, 50A, or 60A circuit, and how modern L2 chargers can both downrate dynamically and be activated with simple apps or cards, this is not a difficult problem to solve.

[–] LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip 4 points 17 hours ago (9 children)

Considering how inexpensive it is to put in a 30A, 50A, or 60A circuit

I have a 50A circuit that i just installed. And previously installed a 30A circuit at my last house. It's not inexpensive. A 50A breaker and 30 feet of 6/2 Romex with ground costs $240. Then add in a 40A capable Grizzl-E Classic for another $299 and you're on your way to $600.

If you're like me, you also buy conduit for the wiring in the garage to keep it dry/protected and a receptacle rather than hardwiring to allow for a little more flexibility.

Easy, yes. Cheap, no.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Only $600??? That's cheap as hell! I thought you were going to say $2k at the absolute lowest

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 hours ago

You do not want 50A 240V circuit built cheap, because of the circuits arcs, the house will burn down. The proper way to do it is a pony box for the charger circuit only, and special plug hardware designed for 100% duty cycles, not clothes dryers. States haven't even updated codes for EV charge circuits.

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[–] Pyro@pawb.social 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Then you have where my apt had another company put in and manage the charges but they charge 15 cents more a kw then the fast charger around the corner.

I don't mind sitting every so often in the morning drinking some tea while charging but it would be nice if it's faster

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago

Ugh, greedy landlords.

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