this post was submitted on 23 Sep 2026
466 points (97.6% liked)

Technology

88209 readers
3513 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 127 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Reminder here that the culprit is capitalism, not LLMs.

Voxium said he wouldn't mind the situation if workers were given more time to check the code.

"Everyone, literally everyone, from an L1 to an L7 engineer here is doing the same thing. Talk to Claude," he added. "There is no sense of victory. Nobody is resolving bugs. In reality, nobody is thinking anymore."

Some people might look at this and wonder what the problem is – who wouldn't want to be paid to do very little? But most people struggle when their work has no meaning. Voxium told Business Insider that if engineers lose the opportunity to understand the code and solve difficult problems, "there is nothing left ... Not even our soul. There will be no purpose."

He added that the real problem is corporate leaders' obsession with pushing out more features. He said management often judges success by sprint cycles, pull requests, and the sheer number of features shipped, even when those additions do little to improve the product for users.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

no this is just bad engineering

you can do what you want with or without ai or capitalism

if you skip the engineering part it will be very likely, shit

[–] Cheebus@lemmy.world 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I like this take.

Capitalism was the jet fuel that got us here, but now we need to shed our boosters and switch engines to something made to run longer.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 4 points 22 hours ago

That's how every ecosystem eventually grows. First come the weeds aimed at colonizing new areas as fast as possible. Then come the small plants, then the shrubs, the trees until it's a self sustaining forest of different species.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Yeah, still a sweatshop with air conditioning and free coffee and junk food.

[–] the_q@piefed.social 25 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 55 points 1 day ago (6 children)

People are clever; we invent things.

LLMs are just a tool. Tools can be used by people; the problem is when people are used by tools, which is what is happening in this case.

See Corey Doctorow's latest tour of YouTube promoting his idea of reverse centaurs (which, for the life of me, I can´t figure out why he didn´t call minotaurs).

[–] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Corey Doctorow didn’t invent that term, but I’m glad people are talking about it.

It comes from “centaur chess” which is chess where both players are assisted by a computer. The humans are “riding” the computer in the centaur analogy — benefitting from the computer’s ability to process the best tactical move, while the human handles the strategy. They found out that computers win chess against humans every time; but humans with computers win against the computer every time.

[–] athatet@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Also it’s a really shitty tool that doesn’t actually fix a problem. Unless you are rich and that problem is ‘I have to pay my employees’

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 hours ago

There are several valid use cases for LLMs. It does solve problems, quite literally.

[–] Postimo@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can´t figure out why he didn´t call minotaurs

Minotaurs still convey the idea of super human strength, he was trying to convey the idea of limited power output of a human with the limited mental capacity of a horse.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Ah, thank you. The problem has been bedevilling me for weeks and I think this is the solution.

I initially thought it could be because the Minotaur isn't exactly half-man/half-animal as the centaur is, but a hybrid of the two; often represented with hoofs for feet, etc., which is another expression of what you're saying.

[–] andicraft@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sure. You can talk about the LLM gestalt, if you'd like, that's worth examining, as with any other tool; especially stuff like progressive brain rot.

But listening to the complaints people have about LLMs, it's mostly that it's being improperly used to replace human labor. Improperly in the sense that it can't actually do the job it is replacing humans in, which is a separate discussion of what kind of world it will be when there are no jobs for humans to do.

LLMs are used responsibly by people doing their own work. For instance, Linus Torvalds used Claude to find errors in the Linux kernel (I think), that he then fixed himself.

The problem is that capitalism, especially oligoplic capitalism, will create worse products at lower prices (or higher profits), and it will do so on the shortest timeline, ignoring things like future lawsuits over security flaws and future lack of programming talent and erosion of consumer trust.

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I guess calling them reverse centaurs visualizes the change that is happening in the relationship between human and machine. We used to be the head but we're the butt now. It makes you reconstruct the image in your head.

In truth there already was a downward trend before LLM's exploded where tools were continuously used against people. "Enshitification" most people call it but it's really just free range capitalism. Generations of economy majors have been doing exactly what they were taught. Increase short term shareholder value at any cost. It's unsustainable and LLM's are just another accelerant.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I guess calling them reverse centaurs visualizes the change that is happening in the relationship between human and machine. We used to be the head but we’re the butt now. It makes you reconstruct the image in your head.

Yes, but the minotaur is frequently just a person with the head of a bull, instead having to invert a centaur, which is already not a familiar image. In talks, Doctorow defaults to "Bojack Horseman", an acknowledgment that reverse centaur is perhaps too much imaginative labor for his audience.

Agree on the MBAs--capitalism eating itself.

[–] the_q@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, my shovel sometimes convinces me to commit suicide while evaporating water to keep it running.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sweat is an evaporatve cooling system used to regulate the temperature of the mechanism that keeps a shovel moving. And if you've never considered killing yourself over the prospect of spending all day with a shovel, I can at least be confident you'd make an -excellent- archeologist.

(But mild humor aside, I do understand your point.)

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

By definition not. The majority of the code in GitHub is some volunteer project on a permissive licence .

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

who wouldn’t want to be paid to do very little?

Oh that'll change soon enough as well in the downwards direction.