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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 65 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

The EU should respond by dumping all American bonds and sanctioning Israel, but they won't, because the EU is a neoliberal plutocracy not far behind the US; cut from the same cloth of capital over people; surveilance over civil rights; the decay into fascism is almost guaranteed based on the distribution of wealth and dependence on American tech.

[–] justOnePersistentKbinPlease@fedia.io 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The EU should respond by making the euro its oil currency.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Saddam Hussein tried that and was killed because of it.

https://www.rferl.org/a/1095057.html

[–] EditsHisComments@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, I remember he was killed for a lot of other things. But yeah that was oil in the fire lol

[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Monique saying "when you do clownery, the clown comes back to bite"

Adding to this, imperialism is a hell of a drug that depends on the other imperial powers remaining cooperative.

[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Europe are the original clowns. USA are just exported clowns from Clownopia

[–] Arcanepotato@crazypeople.online 0 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, the clownery I was referring to is imperialism.

[–] tunetardis@piefed.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

I mean you might be right, but don't they have to overcome an enormous bureaucratic inertia to get there?

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Your not totally wrong on the threat to privacy and democracy in the EU and its member states. You are dead wrong however on much of the rest. The EU is working hard on all sorts of things that are crucial for strategic autonomy. Sovereign satellite communication, payment systems fully independent from the US, also down to the consumer with credit card alternatives in daily life. Laying the groundwork for transition to open source based software in all public systems at the very least. A lot of those things have meaningfully accelerated in recent years, or at least started for real.

Some of these things are already pretty progressed others just starting. This does take time and it is done best without shouting it out loud all the time.

Dumping all bonds to trigger a nuclear option, while not at least much of the above has been done to a sufficient extend, is not terribly clever.

[–] Crit@lemmy.wtf 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Independence from the US does not mean independence from fascism however, and all the dubious chat control and id verification stuff that they've been pushing for does bring it more in kine with policing thought.

[–] Jiral@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The EU is one of the most polycentric political entities, still capable of creating laws. That in itself is quite against fascist ways of doing things. It also means, that all of what you mentioned here has supporters but also faces strong oppositions by parts. The main pushers are in the national capitals, the Commission is complicit, the European Parliament is, as could be expected largely torn by party affiliation and the court of the European Union is pretty strongly opposed in general.

In the end it comes down to the voters. Contrary to the claims of some, we actually do have a choice to vote the fascists in power or keep them away from it.

[–] brave_lemmywinks@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Good, they should do nothing then.